[ChevyRules]

Granted this is from Tesla and even I have some skepticism when it comes to the data coming from them, but according to their data, the average degradation is 12% over 200,000 miles.

https://electrek.co/2023/04/25/tesla...y-degradation/

[90503]

…"Bolt EV/EUV are only GM EVs that do not use Ultium batteries and platforms."

So what?

"They are the last US vehicles built on the ICE Gamma platform."

Again, so what?

Prior to this announcement, the Bolt was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Now it's suddenly another nuisance to GM that can't be discarded soon enough.

Is it impossible for GM to actually just expand it's offerings? Must something always be ended for something else to be manufactured? Why not keep the Bolt in the portfolio? Old platform, but selling like hot-cakes...Isn't that the "printing money" scenario? Is the Bolt some sort of failure? Prior to today gm was singing it's praises as a success and their trophy low-cost EV. This is classic GM. No wonder there is no brand loyalty.

"They will eventually be replaced by similar sized, lower priced EVs that are Ultium based."

Really? I guess we should "just wait"...lol
Any replacement will be more expensive. The Bolt was just too low priced. Of course the new low cost 30K (5K more) Equinox will be the low price leader. Thousands more than the Bolt, but whose counting?...lol.

Sheesh, this whole EV transition just stinks more and more.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by 90503

…"Bolt EV/EUV are only GM EVs that do not use Ultium batteries and platforms."

So what?

"They are the last US vehicles built on the ICE Gamma platform."

Again, so what?

Prior to this announcement, the Bolt was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Now it's suddenly another nuisance to GM that can't be discarded soon enough.

Is it impossible for GM to actually just expand it's offerings? Must something always be ended for something else to be manufactured? Why not keep the Bolt in the portfolio? Old platform, but selling like hot-cakes...Isn't that the "printing money" scenario? Is the Bolt some sort of failure? Prior to today gm was singing it's praises as a success and their trophy low-cost EV. This is classic GM. No wonder there is no brand loyalty.

"They will eventually be replaced by similar sized, lower priced EVs that are Ultium based."

Really? I guess we should "just wait"...lol
Any replacement will be more expensive. The Bolt was just too low priced. Of course the new low cost 30K (5K more) Equinox will be the low price leader. Thousands more than the Bolt, but whose counting?...lol.

Sheesh, this whole EV transition just stinks more and more.

Damn! Who peed in your beer?

The plant that currently makes the Bolts is being repurposed to make the Silverado EV. More pricey and more profit. Also, since the Bolts are not on the latest architecture with the latest battery tech they are not “the greatest thing since sliced bread” and were never claimed to be such by anybody who mattered. They were the first reasonably priced EV to get better than 200 miles per charge, but the new bogey is 300.

GM is soon to start production of the larger, longer range Equinox EV (>300 miles per charge) for less than the Bolt originally cost and slightly more than the recently reduced price Bolt was selling for. So, for now, the Bolt is being replaced in the plant by Silverado EV, in the showroom by Equinox EV, and in its size class by an even lower priced replacement. No need to keep it around.

[Wyzz Kydd]

Bummer when you charged to 120 miles of range but it only translates to 60 miles of range in the real world.

https://www.westernjournal.com/calif...estern-journal

[FarmerFran]

Have we discussed the new fuel Chevron is working on?

[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

Have we discussed the new fuel Chevron is working on?

I haven't heard of it.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

I haven't heard of it.

https://news.yahoo.com/ev-alternativ...110000565.html

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

Have we discussed the new fuel Chevron is working on?

It will be interesting for extending the viability of ICE for vehicles in operation, but it’s still not zero emissions, so it won’t move the needle in states where zero emissions is required. It also won’t undo any of the OEM focused plans to convert their portfolios to electric.

Price per gallon hasn’t been discussed yet, but if it’s anywhere near the price of synthetic gas in Europe it will be a non-starter.

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

It will be interesting for extending the viability of ICE for vehicles in operation, but it’s still not zero emissions, so it won’t move the needle in states where zero emissions is required. It also won’t undo any of the OEM focused plans to convert their portfolios to electric.

Price per gallon hasn’t been discussed yet, but if it’s anywhere near the price of synthetic gas in Europe it will be a non-starter.

Production at volume pricing would have to be considered, not to mention i'm sure our gov will have a hand in making gas more expensive for us anyway as another motivational factor in our EV shift. Also, why do I have to pay a gas guzzler tax, i'm already paying for more gas

[OharaJ]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

It will be interesting for extending the viability of ICE for vehicles in operation, but it’s still not zero emissions, so it won’t move the needle in states where zero emissions is required. It also won’t undo any of the OEM focused plans to convert their portfolios to electric.

Price per gallon hasn’t been discussed yet, but if it’s anywhere near the price of synthetic gas in Europe it will be a non-starter.

Price and effectiveness gonna be the main issues imo. Is it as effective as gas, can they produce enough to supply huge market, etc.

[90503]

Meanwhile, in Fremont....Yikes!...lol

https://insideevs.com/news/664359/te...otype-spotted/

[90503]

Originally Posted by OharaJ

Price and effectiveness gonna be the main issues imo. Is it as effective as gas, can they produce enough to supply huge market, etc.

Good for Chevron for not giving up on ICE and fossil fuels. Unlike gm, that has given up and declared the ICE has maxed out and they no longer have the expertise make them any better (as one rationale for going all EV), perhaps Chevron knows that fossil fuels have contributed to the amazing human progress made possible only with fossil fuels and that progress and future benefit to mankind should continue.

Hopefully Chevron and others can hang on until common sense returns.

[FarmerFran]

". There are only 53,000 electric charging stations in the U.S. compared to 145,000 gas stations,"


I just read this a bit deeper, the disparity is a lot higher. Gas stations have many pumps.




https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/a...114500321.html

[mariojas]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

". There are only 53,000 electric charging stations in the U.S. compared to 145,000 gas stations,"


I just read this a bit deeper, the disparity is a lot higher. Gas stations have many pumps.




https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/a...114500321.html

Well... but you could argue that charging stations will be mostly for far commutes, while regular daily charging will be at home. So you don't need the same amount.