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PDXSSCE · 07-22-2016, 01:06 AM

2016 Chevrolet Camaro Sales Plummet With Mustang.

http://www.autoomobile.com/news/2016...tang/40031840/

Avalnch · 07-22-2016, 01:21 AM

Not surprising since the Gen6 is not making nearly as much hype and interest as the Gen6 did. I believe that the Mustang and (to a lesser part) Challenger sales rode the coat tails of the Gen5 sales.

Even though the Gen6 is "better" it like is out hyped by the C7. Even if I had the money, I would not trade my Gen5 for a Gen6. Only so many dollars to go around.

nobodyspecial · 07-22-2016, 02:11 AM

I agree with some of the above. I will add, GM is pricing themselves right out of the market. A local dealer has a 16 coupe SS priced at 49k, for a car that should be at most 40k.

Get me a cloth seats coupe SS with a manual for 35k. If I was in the market to replace my Gen 5, I would be looking hard at a Mustang GT.

P.S. Stop with the AFM forever GM. Not one single SS customer wants this crap in their cars.

JCunningham · 07-22-2016, 02:30 AM

also the trade in on the 5th gen tanked. when they only offered me $22k for a 12 2SS with 14k miles i dropped wanting a 6th gen. I dont see why it dropped so much. you cant replace it for another $15k

motorhead · 07-22-2016, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vikingrinn

ok, i'll

1.) the 5th gen... 'updates' in '14/'15 were in the wrong styling direction...

The sales number show a different story.

What a dumb article too. It offers nothing.

LaN- · 07-22-2016, 05:41 AM

The article states the Camaro mustang and challenge have all seen drop in sales. Useless reporting......just make a flashy title and a shit article.

102SS · 07-22-2016, 06:55 AM

If I could fit comfortably in one I would get a Gen 6 in a Chevy Heartbeat.

The interior is too cramped for my 6'2" 275lb frame.

Low 12's right off the showroom floor is impressive.

Criticalmass · 07-22-2016, 08:29 AM

Supposedly the airbag recall is causing resale values to dump on a lot of vehicles because of the wait time to get the problem resolved.

Stormcloak · 07-22-2016, 08:30 AM

Anecdote time: I bought my '15 during one of GM's sales at the end of last year for a significant discount. Things that would steer me away from a '16:

-price difference
-first year as a new platform
-LT4 not being proven long term yet

I find the new 1LE appealing in some ways (same with the upcoming ZL1), but there's even a greater price disparity at that level.

Egon · 07-22-2016, 08:56 AM

I don't think GM is concerned one bit and here is why.

"DETROIT (AP) -- General Motors' second-quarter profit more than doubled to a post-bankruptcy record $2.87 billion on a strong performance in the U.S., where the company saw sales fall after it cut low-profit sales to rental car companies. It raised its earnings guidance for the year."

Full article here http://finance.yahoo.com/news/genera...113133995.html

GM has been focusing on making a profit from every sale over the past few years even if that means allowing market share to slip and it is paying off on their bottom line as seen by the headline above. The number of vehicles sold is not as important as selling each one at a profit. Because the Camaro is on the shared Alpha platform it is spreading the development cost over more than one vehicle line, and as a result I would bet that Ford has to sell 2 to 3 Mustangs to make as much profit as the sale of one Camaro. (just a wild ass guess from someone that doesn't know jack)

DRKS1D3 · 07-22-2016, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stormcloak

Anecdote time: I bought my '15 during one of GM's sales at the end of last year for a significant discount. Things that would steer me away from a '16:

-price difference
-first year as a new platform
-LT4 not being proven long term yet

I find the new 1LE appealing in some ways (same with the upcoming ZL1), but there's even a greater price disparity at that level.

The LT4 is the supercharged version in the new Z06, but I get what you're saying. The LT1 is in the Stingrays and the new Camaro SS's. Eh, they're still tried and true, push-rod GM V8's. They'll do fine. The price and the soft appearance is what gets me. As I stated in another thread, my dealer has two new '16 SS convertibles. Same as mine, only 5 years newer. If I'd want one, the difference in price from what I paid new in '11 is almost $10k more.

Olddudesrule · 07-22-2016, 09:29 AM

I've never read much into the "debate" over the styling of the 10-13's vs. the 14-15's. I honestly think the 14-15's look better (not a huge change, but modernized it for me), and I truly like the Gen5's over the Gen6's. I think the styling just makes it look too much like other cars, and at the same time less like a Camaro (retro-wise).

I know it's viewed as a biased opinion, and so be it. Just not crazy about the Gen6's, but appreciate the loss of weight, and additional power of the new motor.

Didn't read the article, but as others have posted already, you can't just look at straight one for one sales. It's too simplistic an approach to a more complex economic issue.

rfopt · 07-22-2016, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sanjay Collins

I got $28k for my 1LT with 16,XXX miles on it a few weeks ago when they only KBB for $18k. Dealerships do the strangest things sometimes.

Did you trade it in on another vehicle? If so, the profit they gained on the other vehicle influenced that trade. Although that trade-in value you received is indeed strange, as it appears you got a deal of a lifetime.

Stormcloak · 07-22-2016, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRKS1D3

The LT4 is the supercharged version in the new Z06, but I get what you're saying. The LT1 is in the Stingrays and the new Camaro SS's. Eh, they're still tried and true, push-rod GM V8's. They'll do fine.

Whoops, my bad.

07-22-2016, 01:06 AM	#1
PDXSSCE Yee-aay-ee! Drives: 2015 2SS/RS CV CE Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: ORegon Posts: 2,520	Is it the beginning of the end... again? 2016 Chevrolet Camaro Sales Plummet With Mustang. http://www.autoomobile.com/news/2016...tang/40031840/ __________________

07-22-2016, 02:30 AM	#4
JCunningham Drives: 2017 2SS M6 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: WNY Posts: 7,070	also the trade in on the 5th gen tanked. when they only offered me $22k for a 12 2SS with 14k miles i dropped wanting a 6th gen. I dont see why it dropped so much. you cant replace it for another $15k __________________ real ZL1 wheels and brakes, 285/305 Michelin Pilot Super Sports, Pray ported Intake manifold, Soler Throttle Body, Rotofab intake, EFI Tuning Flex fuel kit, full American Racing Headers Exhaust, 1 7/8" w/ cats H pipe and mufflers. Full 1LE suspension, with BMR adjustable sway bars and links, GM aluminum cradle bushings, Hurst shifter with lighter reverse spring, TWM shifter knob, Tick level 1 transmission. I should have bought a ZL1

07-22-2016, 05:41 AM	#6
LaN- Drives: 2014 SS Convertible Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Michigan Posts: 175	The article states the Camaro mustang and challenge have all seen drop in sales. Useless reporting......just make a flashy title and a shit article. __________________ Engine: LSA Conversion, Ported Heads, 1 7/8 headers, VMS 2.5 Cam, Roto Fab intake, ADM Scoop. BMR engine mounts, 3.91 628/525 Suspension: Koni orange, (BMR everything) 1" drop springs, toe rods, trailer arms, non adjustable LCR, FE4 sway bars, sub frame connectors, delrin sub frame bushing and upper control arm bushings. Front bushings.

07-22-2016, 06:55 AM	#7
102SS waiting at the tree Drives: SIM 2010 2SS/RS A6 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Niagara Falls Posts: 3,134	If I could fit comfortably in one I would get a Gen 6 in a Chevy Heartbeat. The interior is too cramped for my 6'2" 275lb frame. Low 12's right off the showroom floor is impressive. __________________ 2010 2SS/RS A6 ZL1 Rims 60ft 2.03 13.08 at 107.82 (4/28) 2009 Pontiac G8 3.6L the DD

07-22-2016, 08:30 AM	#9
Stormcloak slower than you Drives: 2012 C6 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: NY Posts: 668 View My Garage	Anecdote time: I bought my '15 during one of GM's sales at the end of last year for a significant discount. Things that would steer me away from a '16: -price difference -first year as a new platform -LT4 not being proven long term yet I find the new 1LE appealing in some ways (same with the upcoming ZL1), but there's even a greater price disparity at that level. __________________

07-22-2016, 01:21 AM	#2
Avalnch Drives: Rally Yellow Camaro+Avalanche Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 1,110	Not surprising since the Gen6 is not making nearly as much hype and interest as the Gen6 did. I believe that the Mustang and (to a lesser part) Challenger sales rode the coat tails of the Gen5 sales. Even though the Gen6 is "better" it like is out hyped by the C7. Even if I had the money, I would not trade my Gen5 for a Gen6. Only so many dollars to go around.

07-22-2016, 02:11 AM	#3
nobodyspecial Drives: 30th and 45th Ann Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: NM Posts: 94 View My Garage	I agree with some of the above. I will add, GM is pricing themselves right out of the market. A local dealer has a 16 coupe SS priced at 49k, for a car that should be at most 40k. Get me a cloth seats coupe SS with a manual for 35k. If I was in the market to replace my Gen 5, I would be looking hard at a Mustang GT. P.S. Stop with the AFM forever GM. Not one single SS customer wants this crap in their cars.

07-22-2016, 08:29 AM	#8
Criticalmass Drives: 2014 Ford Mustang GT Premium Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 269	Supposedly the airbag recall is causing resale values to dump on a lot of vehicles because of the wait time to get the problem resolved.

07-22-2016, 08:56 AM	#10
Egon Drives: 2014 2SS/RS 1LE Join Date: May 2013 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 977	I don't think GM is concerned one bit and here is why. "DETROIT (AP) -- General Motors' second-quarter profit more than doubled to a post-bankruptcy record $2.87 billion on a strong performance in the U.S., where the company saw sales fall after it cut low-profit sales to rental car companies. It raised its earnings guidance for the year." Full article here http://finance.yahoo.com/news/genera...113133995.html GM has been focusing on making a profit from every sale over the past few years even if that means allowing market share to slip and it is paying off on their bottom line as seen by the headline above. The number of vehicles sold is not as important as selling each one at a profit. Because the Camaro is on the shared Alpha platform it is spreading the development cost over more than one vehicle line, and as a result I would bet that Ford has to sell 2 to 3 Mustangs to make as much profit as the sale of one Camaro. (just a wild ass guess from someone that doesn't know jack) __________________

07-22-2016, 09:29 AM	#12
Olddudesrule Resident nomad Drives: 2014 Summit White 1SS/1LE Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,765	I've never read much into the "debate" over the styling of the 10-13's vs. the 14-15's. I honestly think the 14-15's look better (not a huge change, but modernized it for me), and I truly like the Gen5's over the Gen6's. I think the styling just makes it look too much like other cars, and at the same time less like a Camaro (retro-wise). I know it's viewed as a biased opinion, and so be it. Just not crazy about the Gen6's, but appreciate the loss of weight, and additional power of the new motor. Didn't read the article, but as others have posted already, you can't just look at straight one for one sales. It's too simplistic an approach to a more complex economic issue. __________________ Sold: 2007 Z06 2002 Viper GTS/ACR 2003 Z06 1965 FFR Cobra 2012 Nissan 370Z ADM LSA Stage II, Roto-Fab CAI, Kooks LTH/HFC's, Phastek CC, ported TB, Mishimoto radiator and oil cooler, BC Racing ER Series CO's, JPSS 32mm Black Magic rear bar, JPSS front inserts, R1 Concepts Premier slotted rotors/Goodrich SS lines, Schroth ASM harness, MGW flatstick, Brey-Krause HB, Tuned by NicD, at Cordes Performance Racing.