[Chazzz]

Originally Posted by Walkure

I normally don't park my Z in this part of the parking lot, but I saw this '19 show up today and parked next to him for a quick photo.
It's the first I have seen a '19 with my own eyes.
I have to say, I don't dislike the taillights. I like mine just fine and would not have redesigned them, but that's just me.
The front is a big no for me though. I just don't understand the reasoning behind the change. I couldn't get a side-by-side of the fronts unfortunately.

The 19 in the pic appears to be a base model without the RS package and no NPP exhaust, not a fair comparison....

[Walkure]

Yes, comparing which sits higher/lower or which exhaust looks better is unfair based on the difference in trim levels.



However, you can still compare the tail-lights and bumper sculpting, which was the purpose of my post.

[Walkure]

Originally Posted by maraging

Nice parking job on the 17 btw.

I had to leave enough room to swing my door open without dinging the other Camaro

[mako22]

I understand why '19 owners are quick to say negative comments are "biased", but that argument doesn't hold up. I have a '17 and would absolutely say it if I thought the '19 looked better. Just like I look longingly at the ZL1 front end - it's clearly a nicer looking nose. I'm not going to talk myself into saying mine is better just because I own it.

If you don't want to hear people's opinions, don't go on a forum. And if people feel strongly about something, they are free to use the words "hate" and "hideous".

I tend to agree with a lot of those strongly worded comments - this refresh is a disaster. And yes, I mean that.

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by mako22

I understand why '19 owners are quick to say negative comments are "biased", but that argument doesn't hold up. I have a '17 and would absolutely say it if I thought the '19 looked better. Just like I look longingly at the ZL1 front end - it's clearly a nicer looking nose. I'm not going to talk myself into saying mine is better just because I own it.

If you don't want to hear people's opinions, don't go on a forum. And if people feel strongly about something, they are free to use the words "hate" and "hideous".

I tend to agree with a lot of those strongly worded comments - this refresh is a disaster. And yes, I mean that.

The whole 6th generation is a disaster in the eyes of many , the refresh is just another page .

[mako22]

Originally Posted by Gen6_1Le

The whole 6th generation is a disaster in the eyes of many , the refresh is just another page .

Yeah I remember the outrage when it first came out.

[00 Trans Ram]

Originally Posted by Gen6_1Le

The whole 6th generation is a disaster in the eyes of many , the refresh is just another page .

Maybe. I had a 4th gen Camaro (95), Firebird 'vert (00), and Trans Am WS6 (also 00). Loved each of them.

I never liked the 5th Gen. Exterior was OK, but hated the interior. Love my 17, though.

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by mako22

Yeah I remember the outrage when it first came out.

Yeah i remember it also and it hasn't gone away .
PT Cruiser,Chevy citation, Dodge Aspen and lets not forget the Greats the Chevy Corvair and Ford Mustang 2 , all past winners of the great Motor Trend Car of the year award . I would rather a Camaro not be in that list .

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by 00 Trans Ram

Maybe. I had a 4th gen Camaro (95), Firebird 'vert (00), and Trans Am WS6 (also 00). Loved each of them.

I never liked the 5th Gen. Exterior was OK, but hated the interior. Love my 17, though.

The 5th Gen did bring in a lot of first time Camaro owners with the retro look and sold great but i think in 25 years when people look back it won't be received as well, outside of the 1Le ,ZL1 and Z28 anyway. I have owned a 69 first Gen and 70 ,72 and 81 second Gens and wouldn't trade my 18 1Le for any of them.

[JhonnyGTR]

Originally Posted by Walkure

Yes, comparing which sits higher/lower or which exhaust looks better is unfair based on the difference in trim levels.



However, you can still compare the tail-lights and bumper sculpting, which was the purpose of my post.

Base taillights vs smoked taillights (That are not standar in the ZL1)...

Again, unfair comparison

[Chazzz]

Originally Posted by Gen6_1Le

Yeah i remember it also and it hasn't gone away .
PT Cruiser,Chevy citation, Dodge Aspen and lets not forget the Greats the Chevy Corvair and Ford Mustang 2 , all past winners of the great Motor Trend Car of the year award . I would rather a Camaro not be in that list .

Don’t forget to add the AMC Renault Alliance and the Ford Probe to that winners list..... If nothing else Gen6 has been a huge and complete failure in sales numbers, from day one with 20% fire sales needed to move the metal in its first model year, to the dismal and still declining sales figures we see today.....

[AZCamaroFan]

Originally Posted by mako22

Yeah I remember the outrage when it first came out.

exactly

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by 00 Trans Ram

Perhaps we should translate a little better:

UGLY = tail lights looks like thy were glued on from another car. Think back to the model car you put together as a 5yo. Remember how you didn't trim the plastic nubs, and the tail lights stuck out a bit? Here you go, 30 years later, on a production car.

HIDEOUS = The lower crease line even with the bottom of the license plate draws your eyes upwards. It means that the perceived "centerline" of the bumper looks higher on the 19 than the 17.

UNORIGINAL = The license plate area (and tail lights and lower crease, to some degree) looks more like the Malibu than a Camaro. Check it out. https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...edan-rear-view

I guess I could go on to the front of the car . . . but I've made my point.

Interestingly, this leads back to the perpetual debate on whether or not there are absolutes in interface (or exterior) design. Some say it's all relative, every opinion carries the same weight and anything that floats one's boat goes.

Looking at these rear ends, however, I feel that 00 Trans Ram's analysis is spot on. Granted, I don't share the views of the "all of this is relative" camp, but even someone of a more accommodating view can't simply dismiss these esthetic blunders---the taillight shapes seem to be an attempt at recreating former Camaro designs, but the bulges are amateurish and do not harmonize with the rest of the 6th gen lines; dropping the crease just under the taillights render the rear much blander; and the extra lower bumper trim (cut?) line seals the deal, giving the bumper a stacked two-piece look that is way out of sync with the rest of the body lines.

BTW yes, I did see the refreshed SS in person, I have no problem acknowledging improvements compared to what I chose (say, things like an electronic rear view camera mirror) and harbor no regret or remorse about my purchase, given the chance I'd buy the '18 again.

[mako22]

Originally Posted by Gen6_1Le

Yeah i remember it also and it hasn't gone away .
PT Cruiser,Chevy citation, Dodge Aspen and lets not forget the Greats the Chevy Corvair and Ford Mustang 2 , all past winners of the great Motor Trend Car of the year award . I would rather a Camaro not be in that list .

So you agree the 6th Gen is a disaster....and you own one?