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10-18-2019, 05:46 AM | #4006 | |
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Why is that, what if you don't care for the Camaro? What if you want 4-seats? What other car offers what the GT350 offers for its price range, that you would actually enjoy driving? MT stated even when directly compared to the ZL1, H2H in 2017, they chose it as the winner and stated This is the car you want to be driving on a winding road, they even made the case it was worth the 25k markups people were paying initially. I don't think that there have been any reviews in which the car did not receive great praise and reviews, it continues to receive this 4 years into production. I don't think I ever recall a review in which they mentioned the word "ugly" or "hideous", when speaking about the car's appearance, like its competitor. A year or so ago I got the itch to upgrade over my Boss, I drove a 2017 GT350 and was amazed at the performance, and fun factor, I also drove a A10 ZL1 and under hard throttle it is a beast, had the dealer taken my offer I would have been driving it now. Both were fantastic cars and I would love to have either. The 2019 non-R model has received significant updates so I wanted to give it a spin. A few weeks ago I had the opportunity to drive a 2019 GT350 which was very nicely optioned. I was shocked at the increased grip due to the updates, the car is planted and composed and is significantly better than the previous model I drove. So yes if the price was right I would purchase one today. The 2020 Corvette is a great performer and priced right, but I like many others am not a Corvette guy. And given the choice of a new ZL1 or a new C8, I would chose the ZL1, because I want 4 seats.
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10-18-2019, 07:08 AM | #4007 | |
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And for the record, only an idiot would pay a $25K markup on a GT350 R or non-R. You make it sound like people paid that much because they thought it was worth that much. You're smarter than that. People paid that much ONLY because they thought the car was going to increase in value. Same with the Hellcat. In fact I'd wager that people paid more in markups for Hellcats than for the Shelbys. Look at where it got them. So stop trying to preach that it is just some awesome vehicle that people had to have. Nobody is that dumb. People pay extra because they think that whatever it is they are buying will increase in value. |
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10-18-2019, 07:57 AM | #4008 | |
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While I don't personally agree with this perception and think the c7 did a lot to change it with a lot of younger buyers, I know a lot of people view the corvette as an old guy car. I've never gotten it since most people I know are young. So yea unfortunately the corvette gets an old man car reputation. I do agree with your sentiment on the pony cars, while they may not be huge and spacious they definitely have enough room for kids and adult in a pinch with the back seats. While mustangs do have roomier front seats and trunks both of their back seats are uncomfortable but usable. My head hits the roof liner in the camaro and it hits the rear windshield in the mustang lol.
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10-18-2019, 07:58 AM | #4009 |
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I rarely agree with newmoon, but I can't argue that the GT350 is a sexy car. The high rpm Voodoo definitely appeals to a small market, but a market nonetheless. Overall, I really like that Ford pushed the envelope with that car.
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10-18-2019, 09:06 AM | #4012 | |
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10-18-2019, 09:25 AM | #4014 |
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I disagree with you a lot, but you got that right!
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10-18-2019, 11:32 AM | #4015 |
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I guess it depends on the person and their personality. I did not think the GT350, even the R, was worth MSRP. I kept looking at the price and I couldn't even force myself to seriously consider buying one. I would have bought a GT over the Shelby. When I looked at the performance of that car and what it costed compared to stuff like a used Z06, new ZL1, used Viper, used C6 ZR1, etc, what I found was that the Shelby was far behind everything else in the same price range. So if somebody else looked at that car and thought to themselves "I just gotta have it and I'll pay an extra $25K" then I honestly do not know what to say about that. I feel really bad for them.
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