[mickss]

At one time in our history people said that "The horseless carriage will never replace the horse" or "Can a horseless carriage plow a field?" Time and science move forward and usually find a way to solve a problem.

[ariZona28]

I still say the Hybrid is the way to go. At least you can charge on the go and not be tethered to a charging point. Sooner or later the power companies will start adding "surcharges" to your electric bills and "cheap" electricity will go the way of $0.49/gal premium.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by mickss

At one time in our history people said that "The horseless carriage will never replace the horse" or "Can a horseless carriage plow a field?" Time and science move forward and usually find a way to solve a problem.

In its current form, the Camaro is not so disadvantaged on any technical or mechanical level that it needs to be "fixed" by massive change.


Norm

[90503]

Originally Posted by mickss

At one time in our history people said that "The horseless carriage will never replace the horse" or "Can a horseless carriage plow a field?" Time and science move forward and usually find a way to solve a problem.

It wasn't necessary at that time in history for the government to make horses illegal or regulate them out of existence in order for the horseless carriage to move forward or to promote science.

EV's have no popular market or demand without being subsidized and ICE being unnecessarily dis-incentivized. Left to themselves, EVs would never replace ICE without government intervention to intentionally destroy the economically viable and beneficial system of fossil fuels and ICE industries.

[ariZona28]

Originally Posted by 90503

It wasn't necessary at that time in history for the government to make horses illegal or regulate them out of existence in order for the horseless carriage to move forward or to promote science.

EV's have no popular market or demand without being subsidized and ICE being unnecessarily dis-incentivized. Left to themselves, EVs would never replace ICE without government intervention to intentionally destroy the economically viable and beneficial system of fossil fuels and ICE industries.

Very good point. Seems that California just enacted the "Motor Law" referenced in the song Red Barchetta by the excellent band Rush. Listened to that tune plenty as a Hot Rodding youth and I hoped we would never get to this stage of the game. When Internal Combustion Engines are outlawed only outlaws will have Internal Combustion Engines.

[KenKat]

Not that I particularly support the California law, and we will see if it actually stays in effect in 15 years, but it only restricts sales of NEW vehicles. There is nothing that says you can’t keep driving an existing gasoline powered vehicle.

[90503]

Originally Posted by ariZona28

Very good point. Seems that California just enacted the "Motor Law" referenced in the song Red Barchetta by the excellent band Rush. Listened to that tune plenty as a Hot Rodding youth and I hoped we would never get to this stage of the game. When Internal Combustion Engines are outlawed only outlaws will have Internal Combustion Engines.

California/Newsome and his executive order to ban gas only engine sales after 2035 just doubled down on stupid...Already numerous power plants are running on temporary permits and are past due or soon to be shut down as per existing law. The very electric generating plants that are currently insufficient to provide enough power to avoid black-outs now will be gone forever by the time only all-electric only cars are for sale....This is no accident or oversight. It is designed to make auto ownership unaffordable, either electric or gas, and force the vast majority into public transportation. No way enough electricity will be available to charge EVs, and especially not enough should everyone be fortunate enough to afford one, and they won't be.

The public just isn't going for the EV, public transportation bs fast enough to suit the bureaucrats and politicians. It must be forced upon them with no choice or freedom to choose options. EVs, available power will only be available to the very few willing to pay the exhorbitant cost necessary. It will never be workable for the general public.

Hopefully Newsome's executive order to ban ICE sales in 2035 will be challenged and he will lose in court. It needs to be reversed in a timely manner to avoid chaos. But he won't care what the consequences are.

[CamaroCracka]

Originally Posted by KenKat

Not that I particularly support the California law, and we will see if it actually stays in effect in 15 years, but it only restricts sales of NEW vehicles. There is nothing that says you can’t keep driving an existing gasoline powered vehicle.

As long as you can bring one into the state, people will just buy cars across state lines (at least those close to the boarders), unless the EVs are just flat out better cars.

I grew up in the era when 60s muscle grew in desirability because all the cars being manufactured were slow and hard to modify. By the 90s, they had exploded in price and there were all kinds of companies making NOS parts. I'm ok with what I have today if they stop making muscle cars tomorrow, but I feel sorry for future generations Nevertheless I really don't think an ICE ban will stick. It seems more like virtue signaling to me.

However, if all the crazy talk these days does come to fruition, I can see people moving to Mexico as telecommuting becomes more commonplace.

[Rob3D]

Food for thought.


It's Official — Consumer Reports Confirms EV Owners Spend Half As Much On Maintenance

https://twitter.com/cleantechnica/st...097548802?s=07

[pyroguy]

Originally Posted by CamaroCracka

As long as you can bring one into the state, people will just buy cars across state lines (at least those close to the boarders), unless the EVs are just flat out better cars.

I grew up in the era when 60s muscle grew in desirability because all the cars being manufactured were slow and hard to modify. By the 90s, they had exploded in price and there were all kinds of companies making NOS parts. I'm ok with what I have today if they stop making muscle cars tomorrow, but I feel sorry for future generations Nevertheless I really don't think an ICE ban will stick. It seems more like virtue signaling to me.

However, if all the crazy talk these days does come to fruition, I can see people moving to Mexico as telecommuting becomes more commonplace.

If it's like when I lived in PA, you couldn't buy a new car in Maryland because they didn't have the same emissions restrictions. You could buy a used car, but not a new one. I'm sure it would be similar in California as well.

[kevint]

Bruh,

They're going out of biness any day now.

[V8 Firebird]

I'm satisfaction my Model 3 SR+ in general although Tesla service and QC are ridiculously terrible.

[90503]

Something new to contemplate....The future is coming...another plus for the environment...lol

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/11/19/...#slide-2279196

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by ariZona28

Very good point. Seems that California just enacted the "Motor Law" referenced in the song Red Barchetta by the excellent band Rush. Listened to that tune plenty as a Hot Rodding youth and I hoped we would never get to this stage of the game. When Internal Combustion Engines are outlawed only outlaws will have Internal Combustion Engines.

Originally Posted by KenKat

Not that I particularly support the California law, and we will see if it actually stays in effect in 15 years, but it only restricts sales of NEW vehicles. There is nothing that says you can’t keep driving an existing gasoline powered vehicle.

Originally Posted by 90503

California/Newsome and his executive order to ban gas only engine sales after 2035 just doubled down on stupid...Already numerous power plants are running on temporary permits and are past due or soon to be shut down as per existing law. The very electric generating plants that are currently insufficient to provide enough power to avoid black-outs now will be gone forever by the time only all-electric only cars are for sale....This is no accident or oversight. It is designed to make auto ownership unaffordable, either electric or gas, and force the vast majority into public transportation. No way enough electricity will be available to charge EVs, and especially not enough should everyone be fortunate enough to afford one, and they won't be.

The public just isn't going for the EV, public transportation bs fast enough to suit the bureaucrats and politicians. It must be forced upon them with no choice or freedom to choose options. EVs, available power will only be available to the very few willing to pay the exhorbitant cost necessary. It will never be workable for the general public.

Hopefully Newsome's executive order to ban ICE sales in 2035 will be challenged and he will lose in court. It needs to be reversed in a timely manner to avoid chaos. But he won't care what the consequences are.

Here’s the thing....Newsom’s executive order is not a law and it does not ban the sale of ICE vehicles. That’s just the way it’s being reported by journalists that haven’t bothered to really read it. What it is is a directive from the governor to the regulatory agencies in California to study what it would take to enact such a ban. It’s the difference between telling your mechanic to install a Maggie in your 6th Gen vs asking him to give you an estimate and tell you what the performance changes will be.

The report coming back to Newsom could say

• Sure it’s possible, but here’s what the impacts will be and here’s what it will cost. Still wanna do this?
• It’s not possible by 2035, but if you’re willing to make a few changes, you can get it done by 2040
• Sorry boss, this is a non-starter
• Something completely different