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12-27-2017, 11:22 AM | #44 |
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The last Mid-Engine Corvette leak for a while. It’s a Twin Turbo V8, obviously. But it’s like a bigger version of some Caddy Twin Turbo V-6s. If a Z/28 happens, it’ll have something like this.
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12-29-2017, 08:43 AM | #45 |
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I guess my point is that the " Camaro Z28 with LT5 Power Sounds Better Than Ever" is highly unlikely. Due to the fact that the fifth gen (a great car that I own) wasn't planned out correctly. That GM did learn from that mistake and that the ZL1 & Zl1 LE was the easy answer that was in a similar formula as the Ford GT350 & GT350R. That if GM is smart they will wait until the 7th gen to do another Z/28. By then it will just be another add/subtraction package. Not another engine.
That GM is about making money for the long term and not a short term splash that will again ruin their reputation - like they did with Cadillac. At least that is my hope. I like that they are willing to take risks and they support us car enthusiast. But I hate to be buying a car that is already out dated before they are all sold. That was the case with the Z/28 because it took until 2017 before all the new Z/28's were sold. Sad This then hurt resales for those trying to buy first year and sell when the next model comes out. Yes you take a hit, but a half price hit? That was crazy! It was bad marketing. It was making way too many of a car that only a few want. It was non-forward thinking!!!!
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I don't think you can blame them entirely. They listened to all the tough talk and want about a track animal, they built it and it didn't sell. As far as volume, they will end up making more GT350R's than Z's,and they are still commanding ADM's three years in to production. GM just doesn't have the brand loyalty of Ford/Shelby owners- they will be getting 20-30k ADM's for the new GT500 when that comes out too. I have both a Z and R, to me they represent the two best NA road race based pony cars ever that will be built by GM and Ford.
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Z/28 2014 - 515 2015 – 1,292 Total - 1,807 GT350R 2015 – 37 2016 - 526 2017 - 905 Total - 1,468 Bottom line - Chevy overproduced in the last year of the generation. - Volume eliminates ADM once the guys that must be first get theirs. - Availability to average buyers for under MSRP beats limiting them to only the rich. The bad old days when cars like the 87 GNX were not even a consideration for regular people.
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IMO what killed the Z/28 was releasing it nearly simultaneously with the LT4 ZO6. For only 10k more it was an easy choice for most. GM further exacerbated the Z free fall with the 20% off sale only a few months after release. Yes, they screwed the pooch once again with bad timing and over production. |
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I think at the end of the day it's really pretty simple. Everyone likes the idea of a very fast "track animal" until they have to live with it and part with large sums of money for it. If you have $80,000 dollars to pay for a car that you trailer around to tracks all over America and only drive it at events awesome, good for you. However, you don't represent much if hardly any of the general buying population. Most will spend a good amount of time using their Camaro as a car. That means, spouses, children, friends, and coworkers end up spending time in the car and have some bearing on what is purchased. A car like the ZL1 can be justified and used everyday going to work, and can rock it out on the track. A car like the supposed Z/28 can certainly do well on the track...but let's be real here...it's not a very good CAR to operate everyday for the vast majority of the people who are in the market to buy it.
If cars don't sell, GM doesn't make money...and if they don't make money they can't make the car. Hence why, I hope we never see another Camaro with carbon ceramic matrix brakes on it...and for that matter...another resource sucking project using old dated technology (except for the dssv's) that doesn't advance anything for the Camaro line up. |
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^^This!! But I do hope the LT5 makes into the 6th gen swan song version before the 7th gen debuts.
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I just for the life of me do not know why ford can come out with a hipo Bullitt with a tweaked 5.0 and Chevy cant tweak the LT1 to make a Z/28...Its all about the will to do it..
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Took the words right of my mouth.
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