[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

The low speed follow is pretty good on the highway when you get caught up in heavy congestion. I used that on the Tesla, pretty cool just to sit there while it keeps a user defined number of car lengths between you and the car in front of you, it also auto-steers while you babysit the process.

As for the braking concern, I think you would have to get some seat time and judge for yourself. I know what you mean but in practice I haven't seen it become an issue. There is one nice safety feature on the Tesla called Obstacle Aware Acceleration, in which case if you went to slam on the accelerator mistaking it for the brake the car would actually ignore your accelerator input if there was something in front of you and then another safety feature would kick in and Automatic Emergency Brake the car.

See, if the autonomous features are reliable, then I would just rely on them.

And good that it isn't a problem for you, but you have to consider other people behind the wheel and how they might drive if they get their hands on an EV.

Originally Posted by Number 3

To be clear there IS still a brake pedal to hammer when you see an obstacle.

And at least in some, the amount of regen braking you get when lifting your foot off the accelerator.

Regen isn’t there for “cool” it is simply there to collect FREE energy. And in an EV that’s just part of driving.

Personally not a huge fan of a lot of regen but it’s analog is shifting to a lower gear and slowing the car with the transmission which I do from time to time with the paddle shifters. That’s about how “one pedal” driving feels.

Try one sometime if get a chance. Not a big deal and you can adjust it in the Bolt if I recall correctly.

I get that, but in an emergency, you don't really have time to think about it, you just act. That's where the issue could come from.

And I get it's free energy, but the amount is pretty miniscule anyway. State-of-the-art regen captures, what, 8% of the energy at best. Not small, but also nothing to write home about. Remember you are on a forum where a good number of people drive a V8. That's like telling us to give a crap about gas mileage. I simply don't give a toss. EVs are already so efficient anyway, squeezing 5~10 extra miles of the range? Don't care. Changing my driving habit for mileage, well then I'd rather not drive.

I will see if I can get a chance to try one but honestly, I feel like I just don't trust it enough to adopt it.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

See, if the autonomous features are reliable, then I would just rely on them.

And good that it isn't a problem for you, but you have to consider other people behind the wheel and how they might drive if they get their hands on an EV.



I get that, but in an emergency, you don't really have time to think about it, you just act. That's where the issue could come from.

And I get it's free energy, but the amount is pretty miniscule anyway. State-of-the-art regen captures, what, 8% of the energy at best. Not small, but also nothing to write home about. Remember you are on a forum where a good number of people drive a V8. That's like telling us to give a crap about gas mileage. I simply don't give a toss. EVs are already so efficient anyway, squeezing 5~10 extra miles of the range? Don't care. Changing my driving habit for mileage, well then I'd rather not drive.

I will see if I can get a chance to try one but honestly, I feel like I just don't trust it enough to adopt it.

5 to 10 miles is a big deal. In the EV world, range is like us comparing HP numbers. And how many on here would love to get an extra 5 to 10 HP.....for free.

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

See, if the autonomous features are reliable, then I would just rely on them.

And good that it isn't a problem for you, but you have to consider other people behind the wheel and how they might drive if they get their hands on an EV.

After owning a Tesla Model 3 for the last two years there are a number of things I like about it but the autonomous driving features are still a long way out. Basic adaptive cruise control and auto steer with lane keeping are great but technically pretty easy to accomplish on the highway. The city street AI is a whole other story and will take years to solve. Tesla overpromises and under delivers with their "Full Self Driving" software. GM Super Cruise is just as good if not better since it is true hands free with the use of an internal camera to watch you eyes. The downside to Super Cruise is the geo-fenced limitations and not every road is mapped yet, whereas in Tesla you can use it anywhere but realistically folks use it where highways are already mapped. GM is also only offering Super Cruise on very high end vehicles that require high priced option packages. Hopefully this will change next year when they add Super Cruise to 6 more vehicles in Q1 and they said 22 vehicles by 2023.

[hotlap]

Make it fully autonomous and mount a VR gaming chair in the backs seat. </sarcasm>

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Number 3

5 to 10 miles is a big deal. In the EV world, range is like us comparing HP numbers. And how many on here would love to get an extra 5 to 10 HP.....for free.

5 to 10 miles doesn't matter at all in daily driving where you will be back in the garage charging every night anyway before you even use a third of the battery's capacity (particularly if we are talking about a Tesla). Electricity also costs so little compared to gas.

On a road trip, then maybe, but it's not like regen helps much on highways and in an urban setting, any place that is worth checking out probably has enough charging stations for you to work with.

And your comparison to horsepower isn't the same. Modding is in general a "do it once and done" sort of deal unless we are talking about nitrous here. This is a habitual change. This is more like "accelerate slowly to get better gas mileage." Well guess what, I paid for the entire tachometer, and so I will use the whole tachometer.

That's not to mention the theory that says that you won't notice any gain under 10% of your base power if you use the horsepower analogy. So unless your car only has 50 to 100 HP to start with, then 5 to 10 HP is negligible when it comes to sensations. Same thing for that teeny mileage increase. If you have range anxiety, it's not gonna get magically better with that small amount of increase.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by Number 3

5 to 10 miles is a big deal. In the EV world, range is like us comparing HP numbers. And how many on here would love to get an extra 5 to 10 HP.....for free.

If that 5 to 10 HP (or better yet, 5 to 10 ft*lbs of torque) was truly free, sure.

But if I had to make a significant change in the way I drive to get another 1% to maybe 3% out of my car's engine, it's not gonna be worth it.


Norm

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

5 to 10 miles doesn't matter at all in daily driving where you will be back in the garage charging every night anyway before you even use a third of the battery's capacity (particularly if we are talking about a Tesla). Electricity also costs so little compared to gas.

On a road trip, then maybe, but it's not like regen helps much on highways and in an urban setting, any place that is worth checking out probably has enough charging stations for you to work with.

And your comparison to horsepower isn't the same. Modding is in general a "do it once and done" sort of deal unless we are talking about nitrous here. This is a habitual change. This is more like "accelerate slowly to get better gas mileage." Well guess what, I paid for the entire tachometer, and so I will use the whole tachometer.

That's not to mention the theory that says that you won't notice any gain under 10% of your base power if you use the horsepower analogy. So unless your car only has 50 to 100 HP to start with, then 5 to 10 HP is negligible when it comes to sensations. Same thing for that teeny mileage increase. If you have range anxiety, it's not gonna get magically better with that small amount of increase.

This is an interesting side discussion. Usually when I take my wife’s Volt, I look at the odometer and the range and calculate where the odometer should land when I’m out of range. Most times I over achieve the range using the “low” setting that emphasizes regen braking and the steering wheel paddles that increase regen braking. Sometimes, though, I’m like “I have 50 miles of range and my trip is 15 miles. I’m gonna drive it like I stole it.