[super_sxxy322]

Doing some researching on All-Seasons to replace the 1LE Summer Only options. I'm only really seeing the Continental Extreme Contact DWS 06+ and Michelin Pilot Sport 4ZP.

So while I'm leaning more towards the Continental in this case, is there another option out there I may be missing?

I don't plan to use as a DD, nor in snow/ice, but would like good drivability in more than "summer only" limitations. Here in north Jersey it can be below freezing in the mornings but climb nicely into 50s throughout Spring. Shit I remember being on the bike w/ the hubby one day and the next having snow on the ground in under 12 hours And an hour + work commute, those "April showers" can pop out of nowhere, too!

Thanks in advance!

[enzia35]

The dws06 are a great option.

[Msquared]

Originally Posted by super_sxxy322

Doing some researching on All-Seasons to replace the 1LE Summer Only options. I'm only really seeing the Continental Extreme Contact DWS 06+ and Michelin Pilot Sport 4ZP.

The Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 comes in a non-ZP (ZP=runflat) version. That's the Michelin to get: you don't want runflats. That tire and the Conti are easily the two best all-seasons in terms of performance in all conditions. However...

I don't plan to use as a DD, nor in snow/ice, but would like good drivability in more than "summer only" limitations. Here in north Jersey it can be below freezing in the mornings but climb nicely into 50s throughout Spring. Shit I remember being on the bike w/ the hubby one day and the next having snow on the ground in under 12 hours And an hour + work commute, those "April showers" can pop out of nowhere, too!

You probably don't really an "all-season" tire for this use profile. The Conti ExtremeContact Sport and Michelin Pilot Sport 4S (different tires than the above-discussed all-seasons, but confusingly close names!) are classified as "summer" tires, but I find it helpful to think of them as "three-season" tires. They are great in dry, warm conditions - some of the fastest true street tires out there. But they retain great performance down to freezing. But more than any of those conditions, they are the two best rain tires for true street use that you can buy. They are better in the rain than their all-season counterparts, if you can believe that! We use them as rain tires for autocross competition where we can't use dedicated track tires. The only thing they aren't good for is ice and snow. So you might want to consider these options instead of actual all-seasons.

[super_sxxy322]

Originally Posted by Msquared

The Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 comes in a non-ZP (ZP=runflat) version. That's the Michelin to get: you don't want runflats. That tire and the Conti are easily the two best all-seasons in terms of performance in all conditions. However...


You probably don't really an "all-season" tire for this use profile. The Conti ExtremeContact Sport and Michelin Pilot Sport 4S (different tires than the above-discussed all-seasons, but confusingly close names!) are classified as "summer" tires, but I find it helpful to think of them as "three-season" tires. They are great in dry, warm conditions - some of the fastest true street tires out there. But they retain great performance down to freezing. But more than any of those conditions, they are the two best rain tires for true street use that you can buy. They are better in the rain than their all-season counterparts, if you can believe that! We use them as rain tires for autocross competition where we can't use dedicated track tires. The only thing they aren't good for is ice and snow. So you might want to consider these options instead of actual all-seasons.

This is the more outside-the-box opinion I was looking for! Thanks for the rec's! Will look into them!

[arpad_m]

Matt is spot on, as always.

I've been using Michelin PS4S tires for years now, first in NJ and now in TN, and they are near perfect for the street. I only drove on them down to 36-40 degrees, but with sane pedal control they are just fine even in the cold. In the wet, they are surreal, almost the same grip as in the dry, their water evacuation ability is top notch.

Another advantage they have is tire noise, these are very quiet tires. They'll obviously make some noise on crappy pavement such as concrete or bridges, just like any other tire on any car, but on proper blacktop I can hardly even hear them. Somewhat subjectively, I also love their zero bulge sidewall construction, too.

Once warmed up, they grip very well on dry pavement and can corner at least at 1.2g (I'm a chicken and don't dare to push further, but at 1.2g they hardly even squeak).

The one scenario these are underwhelming in is at the drag strip, but that is to be expected, these are summer street tires, and probably the best at that.

[super_sxxy322]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Matt is spot on, as always.

I've been using Michelin PS4S tires for years now, first in NJ and now in TN, and they are near perfect for the street. I only drove on them down to 36-40 degrees, but with sane pedal control they are just fine even in the cold. In the wet, they are surreal, almost the same grip as in the dry, their water evacuation ability is top notch.

Another advantage they have is tire noise, these are very quiet tires. They'll obviously make some noise on crappy pavement such as concrete or bridges, just like any other tire on any car, but on proper blacktop I can hardly even hear them. Somewhat subjectively, I also love their zero bulge sidewall construction, too.

Once warmed up, they grip very well on dry pavement and can corner at least at 1.2g (I'm a chicken and don't dare to push further, but at 1.2g they hardly even squeak).

The one scenario these are underwhelming in is at the drag strip, but that is to be expected, these are summer street tires, and probably the best at that.

Thanks for the knowledge!!

Upon looking at the Michelin Pilot Sport All-Season 4 (not summers, but the non-run flat all-season mentioned by Matt) they don't come in the stock size of 305/30/20 for the rears - they're showing 305/35/20. Does that middle number make it a no-go? Should I stick w/ what the stock sizes show? Fronts seem to come in correct stock size.

My biggest concern w/ going w/ a Summer Only is that we move things around quite a bit in the Winter in the garage as far as the tractor plow and pellets for the stove and I can't say for 100% that once the car is parked for the Winter, it's going to stay there. We have plans to renovate/extend the garage or do a non-attached garage for the car. But that's in due time. And I do not want to compromise the structure of a summer only tire should those moving around moments come at below freezing temps.

[Spaceme1117]

I have the Continental DWS06+’s on my 2017 SS in non-1LE sizes and these tires have been phenomenal. Quiet, excellent grip in dry and in rain, excellent grip and handling in 2 inches of fresh snow.

[WhiteMale]

On the 1LE (and ZL1) wheel you can drop down a little bit in sizes and find other tire options. For winter I run a 285/35 on the rear and a 275/35 on the front. Those size runs perfectly fine and no ABS/Stabilitrak issues, speedo is off by a max of 1mph either way. But as you see those OE sizes you'll get stuck with only a couple of tire options for an A/S.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by super_sxxy322

Thanks for the knowledge!!

Upon looking at the Michelin Pilot Sport All-Season 4 (not summers, but the non-run flat all-season mentioned by Matt) they don't come in the stock size of 305/30/20 for the rears - they're showing 305/35/20. Does that middle number make it a no-go? Should I stick w/ what the stock sizes show? Fronts seem to come in correct stock size.

My biggest concern w/ going w/ a Summer Only is that we move things around quite a bit in the Winter in the garage as far as the tractor plow and pellets for the stove and I can't say for 100% that once the car is parked for the Winter, it's going to stay there. We have plans to renovate/extend the garage or do a non-attached garage for the car. But that's in due time. And I do not want to compromise the structure of a summer only tire should those moving around moments come at below freezing temps.

Well, I'm running 285/35/20 and 305/35/20 PS4S non-runflat on 1LE wheels, but while they look and ride awesome, it cuts things very-very close, I wouldn't recommend it unless you're willing to relocate the body wiring harness in the driver side rear wheel well to avoid rubbing, and the fronts might still rub a bit at full lock on a true 1LE...

...and despite that you should use 35 aspect ratio in the front, too, otherwise if you have the OEM 285/30/20 front size, the front-to-rear height difference may be too much and trigger ABS or Stabilitrak issues. It did for some people and didn't for others, but it's a crapshoot.

Maybe those Michelin runflats are better than Goodyear runflats, or if non-runflats aren't offered by Michelin, you could try the Continental DWS as also suggested by others, those are generally praised (I never ran them, so this is just secondhand info).

[super_sxxy322]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Well, I'm running 285/35/20 and 305/35/20 PS4S non-runflat on 1LE wheels, but while they look and ride awesome, it cuts things very-very close, I wouldn't recommend it unless you're willing to relocate the body wiring harness in the driver side rear wheel well to avoid rubbing, and the fronts might still rub a bit at full lock on a true 1LE...

...and despite that you should use 35 aspect ratio in the front, too, otherwise if you have the OEM 285/30/20 front size, the front-to-rear height difference may be too much and trigger ABS or Stabilitrak issues. It did for some people and didn't for others, but it's a crapshoot.

Maybe those Michelin runflats are better than Goodyear runflats, or if non-runflats aren't offered by Michelin, you could try the Continental DWS as also suggested by others, those are generally praised (I never ran them, so this is just secondhand info).

This eliminates the probability of the 35s then! Thank you!

All the feedback is much appreciated! I think I have my decision with the Continentals.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by super_sxxy322

This eliminates the probability of the 35s then! Thank you!

All the feedback is much appreciated! I think I have my decision with the Continentals.

You're welcome. As a nice perk, these aren't as expensive at Tire Rack as the Michelins, see below (I put in a "random" North Jersey zip code, don't think the price would vary too much anyway).

[Allez]

Originally Posted by super_sxxy322

This eliminates the probability of the 35s then! Thank you!

All the feedback is much appreciated! I think I have my decision with the Continentals.

I've been real happy with my Conti's. I made the switch from OEM to the DWS06+ after 5 years. It's so liberating to not worry about the temp outside - I just came back from an after-work relaxation ride - its 24 degrees here.

[Msquared]

Okay, I agree with arpad that I would not recommend the 305/35/20. It's significantly taller than the 30, and space in that rear wheel well is not plentiful for that. I'm surprised Michelin doesn't make the AS 4 non-ZP in 1LE sizes, but they don't! So, given that, you have two good options for great-performing all-seasons:

• Get the non-ZP Michelin in sizes 275/30/20 and 295/30/20. These are only about 1/5" shorter and 10mm narrower than the OE sizes, and the rim width recommendations still work with our stock wheels. So these would work without any problems at all.
• Get the Conti EC DWS 06 Plus, as suggested by arpad. Just as with the summer tires, these are truly the sole competitor to the Michelin. In testing, both are at the top of the heap. And these are cheaper, and they are the OE size.

I'd probably just get the Contis.

[RUQWIKR]

I've run the DWS06's for years on various cars. Excellent tire and I like the easy to rear "D" / "W" / "S" features on the tread to know where you are in the wear cycle. I'm trying the Michelin PS All Season 4 ZP's on my 22 SS 1LE as it will be my new daily driver, and I didn't want to mess with a mini-spare or carrying a full sized spare, jack, & tire tools.

I carry all that in my other Camaros which I run regular Michelin Pilot Sport 4S's in ZL1 1LE sizes (on OEM wheels). Like arpda_m mentioned, they are excellent tires overall including in cold temps. I use them as my "rain" tires for track events.