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Old 01-17-2022, 04:30 PM   #71
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It is easy to overspend on a build. I am currently waiting to start mine soon. I have a budget and that's all I am going to spend. I have tried to set myself up for further work if, when, I decide to spend more in the future. I am building what I can afford and not giving in to wants I can't afford. I would have liked to do a Maggie but, I will settle on an X port to buy other parts that will be installed when the engine comes out. Be logical about your build. You don't have to do it all at once, do your homework.
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Old 01-17-2022, 06:26 PM   #72
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A surefire way to create a popular thread here is to say something positive about Hennessey, but you'll get more negative than positive comments. Jealousy is such an ugly trait.

I get the point you make and it's a good one. Yenko built a reputation for being the go-to place for go-fast goodies by offering performance parts, as well as modifying your vehicle for you at the dealership.

Yenko ordered Camaros from the factory and modified them in various ways into high performance cars. Hennessey does the same thing.

The Exorcist would blow the doors off most or all original Yenkos.
The difference with the Exorcist and Yenko is that the Yenko was truly a limited production run with GM parts. While the first 2 years weren't a COPO, the 1969 was a COPO. So you could go to any dealer and buy one. Hopefully.....

While the Exorcist is a highly modified car with non GM parts and with the option to have a limited production run or not. So any person can have an Exorcist with or without a number plate. It's just if that person paid the extra cash for that option.

My bash wasn't directed towards Hennessey but ANY non third party that does this. You can't compare a Yenko to a Hennessey or Lingenfelter or etc built car. They aren't the same.
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Old 01-17-2022, 06:42 PM   #73
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My bash wasn't directed towards Hennessey but ANY non third party that does this. You can't compare a Yenko to a Hennessey or Lingenfelter or etc built car. They aren't the same.
I did not take yours as bashing HPE. During this exchange it occurred to me that my 850 was/is part of a limited production set. Mine is #25 but it's not an 850 any longer.

I like all three of the builders you mention. LPE mod'd my 2001 LS1 Camaro and did nice work.
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Old 01-17-2022, 07:18 PM   #74
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The difference with the Exorcist and Yenko is that the Yenko was truly a limited production run with GM parts. While the first 2 years weren't a COPO, the 1969 was a COPO. So you could go to any dealer and buy one. Hopefully.....

While the Exorcist is a highly modified car with non GM parts and with the option to have a limited production run or not. So any person can have an Exorcist with or without a number plate. It's just if that person paid the extra cash for that option.

My bash wasn't directed towards Hennessey but ANY non third party that does this. You can't compare a Yenko to a Hennessey or Lingenfelter or etc built car. They aren't the same.
As for the residual value of these modded cars, I think marketing does play a role here. There are quite capable companies who can do a quality job within various budgets, however a few years or decades down the line, personally I would see that quality built ZL1 as just a non-stock ZL1. I would not really know the details of the build as a potential buyer although it may be documented. However buying, for example, the documented #24 HPE Exorcist ZL1 would have the pedigree which = $$. A similar comparison can be made for a quality built '69 RS\SS Camaro vs. a real Yenko. These two cars would be no comparison to a Camaro collector and the Yenko brings the big $$. And btw, Yenkos were not factory Chevrolet cars. They were ordered with specific GM equipment then were tweaked by Don Yenko's dealership. I like the opinions here but there is no longer a need to bash these companies. A build, any build, is a project we throw $$, time and effort into. They all are a little different and the result sometimes works out well, sometimes lingering problems leave a bad taste. It's also a legit point about how much the buyer drives the car. HPE customers prob don't drive the cars as much as those clients from other builders therefore residual value isn't that big of a deal and lower package price trumps pedigree. I'll propose we line up a few of these different cars at the next Camaro Fest, race 'em and have a few beers!
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Old 01-17-2022, 08:14 PM   #75
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next Camaro Fest
Well, when and where, or does COVID have everything on hold?
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Old 01-18-2022, 08:56 AM   #76
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Lol. Great bang for the buck.
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Old 01-18-2022, 04:20 PM   #77
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God bless the poor little devastatingly misguided soul that truly believes spending over $55,000 on a Hennessey package is a good investment.
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Old 01-18-2022, 07:44 PM   #78
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Lol. Great bang for the buck.
I agree. Drive it 4 years and get your purchase price plus $20k back, sweet.

HPE's pricing has to be high to pay for the development of the Venom F5, which might be the fastest road car.
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Old 01-20-2022, 10:53 AM   #79
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I agree. Drive it 4 years and get your purchase price plus $20k back, sweet.

HPE's pricing has to be high to pay for the development of the Venom F5, which might be the fastest road car.

I think you missed the "sarcasm" with the LOL.
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Old 01-20-2022, 11:35 AM   #80
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First we must note that 850 HP is not 850 RWHP it is like 740 RWHP.

We do not believe in using the stock supercharger it is not the right thing to do, it's too small and the intercoolers inside it are in adequate for that much power.

We offer an 800-850 RWHP package (depending on available octane in your area) that includes a TVS 2650, Cam Headers and supporting mods for around the same money depending on options you choose.

When comparing packages please don't jump down to the bottom line numbers look at what you are actually getting detailed parts list, and services to install those parts properly.

All of our builds now include an ATI superdamper whether you want it or not.

If you are interested in a package of any level please call me directly I will be happy to discuss with you and provide detailed estimate. 203-753-7223

Warranty, We have to define the definition of Warranty, is it a warranty where the manufacturer stands behind it, or an insurance policy they sell you, where the insurance company fights with you about coverage, and there are tons of loopholes for them to get out of covering the claim?

There is no way for a Company to take on the Warranty like a major car manufacturer does when modifying an existing used, car to make more power due to how the car will be used and the simple fact that the core parts being reused are not designed from the ground up to handle that much power under sustained use and abusive conditions.

Most people that buy these big name builds put them in the garage and talk about them more than drive them.

I build cars to be driven like you stole them but also accept the responsibility that goes along with it.

The saying goes Race it, Break it, Fix it, Repeat!

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Ted, I sincerely hope you're still in the business of turning factory Camaros into crazy race cars in 5 years when my factory warranty runs out. I'll personally drop the car off at your shop if you're still in the business of turning gasoline into fun.
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Old 01-20-2022, 12:02 PM   #81
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Ted, I sincerely hope you're still in the business of turning factory Camaros into crazy race cars in 5 years when my factory warranty runs out. I'll personally drop the car off at your shop if you're still in the business of turning gasoline into fun.
I appreciate your confidence in JRE.

I certainly have no plans to close ever if it can be helped.

With Brandon running the country God only Knows what our future will bring.

I wouldn't wait 5 years Warranties are for Camrys LOL

All of our packages are geared toward 100% reliability and daily use as well as racing.

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