[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Indeed, because I think the 7th gen needs to go back to the more futuristic design of the 4th gen.

God no.

(...and I loved my forth gens.)

[KMPrenger]

7th gen will need to show some kind of significant departure from the similarities between the 5th and 6th gen. Don't get me wrong...I absolutely love the look of the 6th gen. I still think its sexy sauce. lol. But I agree...next time it has got to change.

But I feel for the designers. I'm sure they are already working on it and they have a very difficult task. The thing is, the car has to retain the same profile, and would be great is they could still retain those classic hips. Past that, I think anything goes.

I remember this design sketch from before the 6th gen was revealed. I still think something like this would be awesome. I'd have bought this for sure. To me, this looks like a futuristic Camaro. I hope that's what the 7th gen goes for. When the 5th gen was released in 2009, it was like driving a real concept on the road. I hope the 7th gen can do that again.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

God no.

(...and I loved my forth gens.)

It would be much better than a modernized 2nd Gen.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

Only because they made it like over 12 years...

I do like the early 2nd gens a lot, once the big bumpers went on, that was it...

If you weren't around back then you wouldn't realize how hot the gen2 was in the 70s. They were the car to have with single model year production numbers that dwarf the other generations. I was in junior high during the peak and remember well.


Year: Camaro (Firebird)

67: 220,906 (88,560)
68: 235,147 (107,112)
69: 243,065 (87,708)


70: 124,901 (48,739)
71: 114,630 (53,125)
72: 80,015 (29,951)
73: 96,751 (46,313)
74: 151,008 (73,729)
75: 145,770 (84,063)
76: 182,959 (110,775)
77: 218,858 (155,735)
78: 272,631 (187,294)
79: 282,571 (211,453)
80: 152,005 (107,340)
81: 126,139 (70,899)


82: 189,747 (116,364)
83: 154,381 (74,884)
84: 261,591 (128,304)
85: 180,018 (95,880)
86: 192,219 (110,465)
87: 137,760 (88,612)
88: 96,275 (62,445)
89: 110,739 (64,409)
90: 34,986 (20,553)
91: 100,383 (51,184)
92: 70,007 (27,569)


93: 39,013 (15,342)
94: 119,799 (51,523)
95: 122,738 (56,723)
96: 61,362 (30,937)
97: 60,202 (30,828)
98: 54,026 (32,974)
99: 42,098 (36,219)
00: 45,417 (31,826)
01: 29,009 (21,436)
02: 41,776 (30,690)

10: 81,299
11: 88,249
12: 84,391
13: 80,567
14: 86,297
15: 77,502

16: 72,705

[Bhobbs]

So you think sales falling off by 50% from the previous year is a hot car? The 69 Camaro is iconic. The 70 isn't.

[JerTM]

Are we really arguing about which cars we think look the best? lol Seriously guys, it's ok to have a difference of opinion.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

So you think sales falling off by 50% from the previous year is a hot car? The 69 Camaro is iconic. The 70 isn't.

70 was a half model year and 71 was the beginning of the end for performance followed by UAW strikes that almost killed the f-body completely after 72. Then came the 1973 oil embargo, etc. Once America got past that, it took off and by 76 was outselling the "right for its time", Mustang economy car (not mentioning Firebird production).

I like all the generations but you appear unaware of how significant the Camaro and Firebird were in that era. They were "it"

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by hotlap

If you weren't around back then you wouldn't realize how hot the gen2 was in the 70s. They were the car to have with single model year production numbers that dwarf the other generations. I was in junior high during the peak and remember well.


Year: Camaro (Firebird)

67: 220,906 (88,560)
68: 235,147 (107,112)
69: 243,065 (87,708)


70: 124,901 (48,739)
71: 114,630 (53,125)
72: 114,630 (29,951)
73: 96,751 (46,313)
74: 151,008 (73,729)
75: 145,770 (84,063)
76: 182,959 (110,775)
77: 218,858 (155,735)
78: 272,631 (187,294)
79: 282,571 (211,453)
80: 152,005 (107,340)
81: 126,139 (70,899)


82: 189,747 (116,364)
83: 154,381 (74,884)
84: 261,591 (128,304)
85: 180,018 (95,880)
86: 192,219 (110,465)
87: 137,760 (88,612)
88: 96,275 (62,445)
89: 110,739 (64,409)
90: 34,986 (20,553)
91: 100,383 (51,184)
92: 70,007 (27,569)


93: 39,013 (15,342)
94: 119,799 (51,523)
95: 122,738 (56,723)
96: 61,362 (30,937)
97: 60,202 (30,828)
98: 54,026 (32,974)
99: 42,098 (36,219)
00: 45,417 (31,826)
01: 29,009 (21,436)
02: 41,776 (30,690)

10: 81,299
11: 88,249
12: 84,391
13: 80,567
14: 86,297
15: 77,502

16: 72,705

You can't compare car sales from the 80's and earlier and now. That was well before the SUV/crossover craze, and before the huge influx of Japanese imports as well.

I mean if anything, the late 70's Camaros were the worst ones ever made. Lowest power, worst handling, poorest build quality, etc, etc...I do happen to like the early 2nd gens a lot, but once the big bumpers and such came along, it ruined the looks. The late 70's and early 80's ones were full of tacked on crap and stickers.

[FenwickHockey65]

GM Oshawa Assembly will once again be producing trucks.

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

GM Oshawa Assembly will once again be producing trucks.

The rumor is a "new" truck is being produced there. Could be next gen full size. Probably couldn't come soon enough, I understand Ram took 2nd place.

[FenwickHockey65]

The timeline would suggest it's the T1XX truck. Bodies shipped from Ft. Wayne to Oshawa for final assembly.

[FenwickHockey65]

http://media.gmc.com/media/us/en/gmc...3-terrain.html

2018 Terrain pricing. $25,970 base SL.

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by snizzle

Not to mention the Camaro:
http://www.autoblog.com/2017/04/25/s...ont-camouflage

They bring back any type of corvette taillights I'm going to be in trouble.

[Camaro_Corvette]

Just wanted to give a shoutout to Fen for still being a solid source of information about everything GM.