Car & Driver: New Camaro Z/28 is still on the way with 700+ HP NA V8 - Page 4

marknagy13 · 03-01-2017, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by artsbest

I think all of you negative folk here need to step back. Obviously you have never worked for a major American corporation where people are highly paid to run over their mothers to beat the competition. As a corporate lawyer I have dealt with these people for years. And they will stop at nothing to make money and/or beat their competitors. And nowhere is this more evident than in the auto world. Remember GM's ignition switch atrocity? We represented a family who lost their daughter over a Mickey Mouse $5 part. She was just starting out in her life and it ended. Many at GM knew of this and did nothing to stop it in the name of money.

Look at the prototype pic in this article. It is indeed the next Z/28. The bragging rights game regarding HP and speed is on. And I guarantee you the folks at GM will stop at nothing to achieve those chest pounding specs in their muscle machines.

That picture is far from the z28. If you know anything about z28s, it doesnt have big breaks, the wheels are standard and not z28 wheels, and there is no wing on the back. There may well be a z28 coming in the future but that definitely isn't it. On top of that, where would the pricing fit in with the new zl1 1le? No way they're making it more expensive than the z06. Who would buy that?

IOMike · 03-01-2017, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by artsbest

I think all of you negative folk here need to step back. Obviously you have never worked for a major American corporation where people are highly paid to run over their mothers to beat the competition. As a corporate lawyer I have dealt with these people for years. And they will stop at nothing to make money and/or beat their competitors. And nowhere is this more evident than in the auto world. Remember GM's ignition switch atrocity? We represented a family who lost their daughter over a Mickey Mouse $5 part. She was just starting out in her life and it ended. Many at GM knew of this and did nothing to stop it in the name of money.

Look at the prototype pic in this article. It is indeed the next Z/28. The bragging rights game regarding HP and speed is on. And I guarantee you the folks at GM will stop at nothing to achieve those chest pounding specs in their muscle machines.

Its not a z/28. Look at how small the wheels and brakes are. This is most likely a updated 2019 MCE.

IOMike · 03-01-2017, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by marknagy13

That picture is far from the z28. If you know anything about z28s, it doesnt have big breaks, the wheels are standard and not z28 wheels, and there is no wing on the back. There may well be a z28 coming in the future but that definitely isn't it. On top of that, where would the pricing fit in with the new zl1 1le? No way they're making it more expensive than the z06. Who would buy that?

Does the z/28 have to be more expensive than the zl1? It's their playbook, they can change the rules.

marknagy13 · 03-01-2017, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by IOMike

Does the z/28 have to be more expensive than the zl1? It's their playbook, they can change the rules.

No but that would be the only place? You already have a track monster with the zl1 1le, so if its faster than that, than it would be more expensive. If its slower and cheaper, then what is the point? You already have a cheaper option in the standard 1le or even the zl1. Think about it.

ron scubadiver · 03-02-2017, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

700 hp from a 5.5 liter V8 outperforms the 4.5 liter Ferrari V8, which is the highest specific output production V8. I'm not saying it's impossible but it's highly unlikely.

Ditto, not to mention the rumors to date were for a 6.2 liter DOHC motor. Meanwhile many high end performance cars are getting 4 liter V8 engines with twin turbocharging between the cylinder heads. AMG, Ferrari, Audi and Bentley are using this layout.

Raven87 · 03-02-2017, 08:10 AM

My vision of a 6th Gen Z/28 would be slotted between the SS and ZL1 price-wise with the 1LE goodies and 550-600 N/A HP.

NO CCB's but lighter weight maybe no back seat, etc.

I would like to see it be a somewhat direct competitor to the GT350R.

FNxR3DNECK · 03-02-2017, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Raven87

My vision of a 6th Gen Z/28 would be slotted between the SS and ZL1 price-wise with the 1LE goodies and 550-600 N/A HP.

NO CCB's but lighter weight maybe no back seat, etc.

I would like to see it be a somewhat direct competitor to the GT350R.

I would love to see this! I don't think the Z/28 has to be the "Halo" Camaro, even if it is slotted below the ZL1 or ZL1 1LE it will still have the heritage that makes it special.

And like you said a 1LE with N/A 550-600hp could very easily be priced in the mid-high $50k range. Take a 1LE, do a few weight saving measures, (maybe replace the mag-ride with the new DSSV suspension) add the rumored LT5 which I think will be right in the 550-600hp range and there you go!!! New Z/28 priced the same or a little less than a ZL1, I think that would be the perfect spot for the Z/28 in the line up.

Raven87 · 03-02-2017, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by FNxR3DNECK

I would love to see this! I don't think the Z/28 has to be the "Halo" Camaro, even if it is slotted below the ZL1 or ZL1 1LE it will still have the heritage that makes it special.

And like you said a 1LE with N/A 550-600hp could very easily be priced in the mid-high $50k range. Take a 1LE, do a few weight saving measures, (maybe replace the mag-ride with the new DSSV suspension) add the rumored LT5 which I think will be right in the 550-600hp range and there you go!!! New Z/28 priced the same or a little less than a ZL1, I think that would be the perfect spot for the Z/28 in the line up.

The first Gen Z/28 wasn't the 'halo' car back then. That would have been the uber-rare ZL1 then and I think it should be that way now IMHO.

SuperSound · 03-02-2017, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by FNxR3DNECK

I would love to see this! I don't think the Z/28 has to be the "Halo" Camaro, even if it is slotted below the ZL1 or ZL1 1LE it will still have the heritage that makes it special.

And like you said a 1LE with N/A 550-600hp could very easily be priced in the mid-high $50k range. Take a 1LE, do a few weight saving measures, (maybe replace the mag-ride with the new DSSV suspension) add the rumored LT5 which I think will be right in the 550-600hp range and there you go!!! New Z/28 priced the same or a little less than a ZL1, I think that would be the perfect spot for the Z/28 in the line up.

DSSV and a new LT5 would be a serious chunk of change to add on a 1LE. More like $60k+

2cnd chance · 03-02-2017, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperSound

DSSV and a new LT5 would be a serious chunk of change to add on a 1LE. More like $60k+

Yeah probably more like $75K+

OminouSS · 03-02-2017, 03:34 PM

Some of the comments here are hilarious. Yeah, so it's speculation and 'dribble'. Would you prefer we have nothing to read? Maybe the whole industry just shuts the hell up. That would be tremendously entertaining.

nearwater · 03-02-2017, 03:48 PM

According to what I hear from engineers involved in developing our Camaro parts, there won't be a z28. At least that's the plan for now.

90503 · 03-02-2017, 04:01 PM

I'm surprised no one has yet gone to the real definitive source for reliable information: a showroom salesman!....lol...

FNxR3DNECK · 03-02-2017, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperSound

DSSV and a new LT5 would be a serious chunk of change to add on a 1LE. More like $60k+

I disagree, yes of course the DSSVs are pricey but I think the LT5 shouldn't be much more expensive than the LT4, and it will have less Hp/Tq so shouldn't need the beefier drivetrain components that the ZL1 has.

And if the Z/28 were based on a 1SS 1LE with just DSSV and LT5 difference lets say add $8-10k for the LT5 and $3-5k for the DSSV that's only $11k more on the low end and $15k more on the high end so it could still come in around $60k.

Of course I'm being optimistic but you can't tell me that's impossible!

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OminouSS Drives: Red Hot track candy Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NorCal Posts: 1,092	Some of the comments here are hilarious. Yeah, so it's speculation and 'dribble'. Would you prefer we have nothing to read? Maybe the whole industry just shuts the hell up. That would be tremendously entertaining. __________________ Baby born 11/08/16. Left birthing place 11/25/16. Arrived home 12/6/16: '17 Red Hot ZL1. Stock.

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