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Old 09-02-2021, 09:44 AM   #1
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Allocation - what if I defer? ATTN: Joe or Gearhead

Good Morning,

My local dealer called and today is the day for my order to be allocated!

The bad news, the V6 is constrained so my 3LT RS will not be accepted. If I jump to a 2SS it will. Yes, I could also drop to the T4 engine, but that isn't acceptable to me.

I'm hoping that Joe, Gearhead, or another dealer with higher volume can validate these questions:

- if I pass today, would my dealer get the allocation back next round? They indicate probably not.

- if I place order as SS, is it allowed to revert to 3LT RS later when constraint drops? They indicate no.
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Nov. 9: 3800 -> 4300 (for stripes)
Oct. 8: 3400 status TPW 10/25
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Old 09-02-2021, 10:57 AM   #2
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For anyone else who may be in a similar situation in the future. I PM'd JoeP and he confirmed the info from my dealer above. It's a use it or lose type of situation.

Time to do some soul searching. The things holding me back are:
- extra $7k or so in cost
- summer-only tires (I'll have to swap these or buy another set of rims/tires)
- performance suspension (I'm not going to race and looking for a comfy cruiser)
- lower gas mileage
- higher insurance cost (but probably not a huge deal)
- requires premium gas (which I'd probably put in the V6 anyway, so not as important)
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Dec. 18: took her home
Dec. 9: arrival at dealer
Nov. 16-29: Toledo, OH (railyard)
Nov. 9: 3800 -> 4300 (for stripes)
Oct. 8: 3400 status TPW 10/25
Oct. 6: 3100 status TPW 10/25
Sept. 9: 3000 status TPW 10/4/2021
Sept. 3: 2000 status (after 5 1/2 months)
Sept. 2: Change Order: 2SS (V6 constraint)
April 12: Reordered as ‘22 3LT RS V6 (March 16:Initial Order ‘21 3LT RS V6)
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Old 09-02-2021, 11:47 AM   #3
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Why not consider an LT1, as opposed to a 1SS?
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Old 09-02-2021, 12:04 PM   #4
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Why not consider an LT1, as opposed to a 1SS?
I assume it's because the interior options are lesser in the LT1 than the 3LT (i.e. cloth seats, no heated/ventilated option, etc.).
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Old 09-02-2021, 12:11 PM   #5
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Good Morning,

My local dealer called and today is the day for my order to be allocated!

The bad news, the V6 is constrained so my 3LT RS will not be accepted. If I jump to a 2SS it will. Yes, I could also drop to the T4 engine, but that isn't acceptable to me.
Since you ordered a 3LT, go for a 2SS and you will not regret it, second guessing yourself; anything less and you will. Mark my words

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Time to do some soul searching. The things holding me back are:
- extra $7k or so in cost
- summer-only tires (I'll have to swap these or buy another set of rims/tires)
- performance suspension (I'm not going to race and looking for a comfy cruiser)
- lower gas mileage
- higher insurance cost (but probably not a huge deal)
- requires premium gas (which I'd probably put in the V6 anyway, so not as important)
- if you can physically afford it, cost will fade into oblivion in no time
- suspension is fine, the SS is a comfy cruiser
- you can attain 28-30 mpg in an SS, which is definitely less than with a V6 but not outrageously so
- I upgraded from a 2LT to a 2SS and my insurance premium was unaffected
- you want to put the best gas in your baby even if she can run on 87


Tires might be a dealbreaker if you don't want another (all-season or winter) set, but we're talking about a 6th gen Camaro here, an amazing car that will go away soon, so I'd definitely think about it.
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Old 09-02-2021, 01:55 PM   #6
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Why not consider an LT1, as opposed to a 1SS?
As taprxxt guessed, I'm looking for all of the creature comforts + HUD. I did spec out a 1SS after talking to my dealer, but have to give up too many of those features to save $3k or so.

I talked to my insurance agent, that difference in premium is only $225/year so no big deal there.

Glad to hear arpad say the SS is still a pretty comfy ride from a cruising standpoint. It's hard to know what "performance" suspension means, but I was assuming it would be a lot more rigid. Living in MN, nice smooth roads are few and far between.
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Dec. 18: took her home
Dec. 9: arrival at dealer
Nov. 16-29: Toledo, OH (railyard)
Nov. 9: 3800 -> 4300 (for stripes)
Oct. 8: 3400 status TPW 10/25
Oct. 6: 3100 status TPW 10/25
Sept. 9: 3000 status TPW 10/4/2021
Sept. 3: 2000 status (after 5 1/2 months)
Sept. 2: Change Order: 2SS (V6 constraint)
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Old 09-02-2021, 01:57 PM   #7
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For anyone else who may be in a similar situation in the future. I PM'd JoeP and he confirmed the info from my dealer above. It's a use it or lose type of situation.

Time to do some soul searching. The things holding me back are:
- extra $7k or so in cost
- summer-only tires (I'll have to swap these or buy another set of rims/tires)
- performance suspension (I'm not going to race and looking for a comfy cruiser)
- lower gas mileage
- higher insurance cost (but probably not a huge deal)
- requires premium gas (which I'd probably put in the V6 anyway, so not as important)
Ugh - I just e-mailed my guy too and asked him about this. I was shooting for a spring 2022 delivery so Im thinking there is no need to worry yet. But, if this V6 becomes a real snag then I will also have to soul search.

The V8 cost is the biggest snag for me. Im a working class stiff and this is a toy car, not a daily or my only car. The fact I was able to spend almost $30K for the V6 the way I wanted it is nice enough. Budgets are budgets. And its more like $8-$9K with tax and other stuff. :(. I am fine with the V6 and would also enjoy the car with the T4 if I had to. Its the look, the handling, the entire Camaro package thats attractive to me. Not just the cylinder count.

Insurance and those other things are tangible but not as big of a deal. Im juts hoping I dont have to change anything.

Good luck!
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Old 09-02-2021, 02:12 PM   #8
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I would hold out for what I wanted and not settling for what I can get now. It will leave doubt and less satisfying ownership. I did this with my 1st Camaro. It was a 2017 V6 convertible that I found for a price that was to hard to pass up. I really wanted a ZL1 M6 vert and here I am 3 years later ordering what I really wanted.
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Old 09-02-2021, 02:43 PM   #9
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I would hold out for what I wanted and not settling for what I can get now. It will leave doubt and less satisfying ownership. I did this with my 1st Camaro. It was a 2017 V6 convertible that I found for a price that was to hard to pass up. I really wanted a ZL1 M6 vert and here I am 3 years later ordering what I really wanted.
For me, if I stayed with the 3LT RS but dropped to the T4 engine, I know I would regret that. Jumping up to the 2SS the more I think about it is really just about the cost. When I go to pass someone, I'm never going to say "gee, I wish I had less horsepower... lol).

I'll have to swap tires out, I ride my Harley at 30* in the early spring, so I'm sure I'll do the same with my convertible. As I understand it the SS summer-only tires are only rated for 50* and above, so this will be an immediate need unless the car gets delayed and not delivered until April for some reason.

So, it really comes down to spending the extra $7k up front. I can afford it, I'd just rather spend it something else. On the other hand, if I pass and the V6 stays on constraint long-term, I can't get an allocation for several more months, etc. I'll kick myself.
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Dec. 18: took her home
Dec. 9: arrival at dealer
Nov. 16-29: Toledo, OH (railyard)
Nov. 9: 3800 -> 4300 (for stripes)
Oct. 8: 3400 status TPW 10/25
Oct. 6: 3100 status TPW 10/25
Sept. 9: 3000 status TPW 10/4/2021
Sept. 3: 2000 status (after 5 1/2 months)
Sept. 2: Change Order: 2SS (V6 constraint)
April 12: Reordered as ‘22 3LT RS V6 (March 16:Initial Order ‘21 3LT RS V6)
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Old 09-02-2021, 08:38 PM   #10
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Go big or go home (and wait longer…)

2SS it is!
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Dec. 18: took her home
Dec. 9: arrival at dealer
Nov. 16-29: Toledo, OH (railyard)
Nov. 9: 3800 -> 4300 (for stripes)
Oct. 8: 3400 status TPW 10/25
Oct. 6: 3100 status TPW 10/25
Sept. 9: 3000 status TPW 10/4/2021
Sept. 3: 2000 status (after 5 1/2 months)
Sept. 2: Change Order: 2SS (V6 constraint)
April 12: Reordered as ‘22 3LT RS V6 (March 16:Initial Order ‘21 3LT RS V6)
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Old 09-02-2021, 09:01 PM   #11
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I'll have to swap tires out, I ride my Harley at 30* in the early spring, so I'm sure I'll do the same with my convertible. As I understand it the SS summer-only tires are only rated for 50* and above, so this will be an immediate need unless the car gets delayed and not delivered until April for some reason.
I think the lower limit on summer tires is actually 40 degrees F, not that it will make much difference in a MN winter...
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Old 09-02-2021, 09:22 PM   #12
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Go big or go home (and wait longer…)

2SS it is!
You'll love it

One thing about the tires, the runflats it comes with from the factory are hard and make the ride worse, so check them, if you're not satisfied (everyone's thresholds are different), know that non-runflat tires are much less noisy and improve the ride as well.

(BTW your 3LT RS would have had the same tires, so this is not caused by your upgrade.)
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Old 09-03-2021, 08:22 AM   #13
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(BTW your 3LT RS would have had the same tires, so this is not caused by your upgrade.)
If you are referring to run-flats, yes, that is true. But the 3LT would have been all-season runs-flats per the configurator vs. summer-only for SS models (not sure how the LT1 is configured as I never considered that option.

I likely will go to a non run-flat anyway. Haven't looked yet to see what my preferred tire will be. I'll do some searching of the forums to see what others like, look at specs of different options, etc. I'll have plenty of time to make a decision on that before the car actually arrives, although it is nice to see 2000 on the latest copy of the Workbench report I just received - especially after sitting at 1100 for the last 5 1/2 months...
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Dec. 18: took her home
Dec. 9: arrival at dealer
Nov. 16-29: Toledo, OH (railyard)
Nov. 9: 3800 -> 4300 (for stripes)
Oct. 8: 3400 status TPW 10/25
Oct. 6: 3100 status TPW 10/25
Sept. 9: 3000 status TPW 10/4/2021
Sept. 3: 2000 status (after 5 1/2 months)
Sept. 2: Change Order: 2SS (V6 constraint)
April 12: Reordered as ‘22 3LT RS V6 (March 16:Initial Order ‘21 3LT RS V6)
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Old 09-03-2021, 08:34 AM   #14
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If you are referring to run-flats, yes, that is true. But the 3LT would have been all-season runs-flats per the configurator vs. summer-only for SS models (not sure how the LT1 is configured as I never considered that option.

I likely will go to a non run-flat anyway. Haven't looked yet to see what my preferred tire will be. I'll do some searching of the forums to see what others like, look at specs of different options, etc. I'll have plenty of time to make a decision on that before the car actually arrives, although it is nice to see 2000 on the latest copy of the Workbench report I just received - especially after sitting at 1100 for the last 5 1/2 months...
The LT1s come with All-season Goodyear Asymmetric F1 Run-on-flats. I had the 18 in rims with Goodyear Eagle F1 all-seasons on my last camaro and they ride a lot smoother than the LT1 tires.
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