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Old 01-17-2025, 08:17 AM   #29
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You know Dodge has the ICE Hurricane Charger coming back, right? Not maybe, it will be on lots soon.

Now all the sudden all of you are IF NO V8 IT IS TRASH!

How many here would take a Buick GN? Turbo V6?

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Old 01-17-2025, 08:46 AM   #30
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According to my friend at GM, the Camaro was killed to keep the Corvette. Blame Biden, the green new scam, and his EPA for the death of the Camaro (again). The only hope for it as an ICE powered car we would recognize and love, the emissions limitations need to be raised. I'm hoping Trump will do it. It would also help if the economy improved, wages increased and interest rates go down. We'll see.
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Old 01-17-2025, 08:50 AM   #31
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I agree let the woke gm die and lets get the old GM back
Now woke apparently means "anything I don't like". What about GM could possibly be classified as "woke"?

Woke: alert to and concerned about social injustice and discrimination
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Old 01-17-2025, 10:51 AM   #32
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Old 01-17-2025, 11:26 AM   #33
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Not sure where you’re getting this. GM out-performed earnings projections for the 1st three quarters of 2024 and the stock price is up about 40% over the same time last year. 4th quarter and total year earnings have not been reported yet but are expected to again exceed expectations.

New York (CNN) — General Motors reported much stronger than expected third-quarter earnings and gave an outlook that puts it on the path for record earnings in 2024 – just a year after a costly strike by members of the United Auto Workers union.

The company reported it earned an adjusted profit $3.4 billion in the third quarter, up from $3.2 billion for the year ago period, which was impacted by the first two weeks of the strike that lasted more than six weeks. Adjusted earnings for the first nine months of the year reached $9.9 billion.

Revenue rose more than 10% to $48.8 billion, topping forecasts by nearly $800 million and rising far faster than the 5% increase in the number of vehicles it sold. That means GM is selling cars at higher average prices this year than it was in 2023. Its average transaction price in North America reached nearly $50,000.



T1XX SUV has not been cancelled. It’s a cash cow for Pete’s sake. There are likely some delays. That’s par for the course in the auto industry. Continuing the current truck and utilities for a year or lest won’t bankrupt the company.
T1XX SUV has certainly been canceled and the truck has been delayed. I work in the auto manufacturing industry and have been prompted by GM to submit cancellation costs on the SUV tools and they also instructed that the truck will have the tooling completed but once complete will sit.

Some of my contacts inside GM have also told me that its not due to the tariffs or the election but that they have too much money sitting on lots that they are unable to sell. They have a severe cashflow issue that is not exclusive to GM but many of the larger auto manufacturers. It is fact that right now their is more stock sitting in lots than has ever been in the past and auto manufacturing is set to decrease this year due to this.

2025 is going to be a SLOW year in the auto manufacturing sector and it will be difficult times for GM, Stellantis, Ford, Nissan for sure.

Believe what you'd like to though, that's your right.
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Old 01-17-2025, 11:44 AM   #34
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Roll back EPA regs to 2005. Problem solved.
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Old 01-17-2025, 12:24 PM   #35
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Now woke apparently means "anything I don't like". What about GM could possibly be classified as "woke"?

Woke: alert to and concerned about social injustice and discrimination
Pssst….have you looked at their CEO lately? I mean… Qualifications aside, have you looked at her.
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Old 01-17-2025, 03:51 PM   #36
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Pssst….have you looked at their CEO lately? I mean… Qualifications aside, have you looked at her.
Sadly, you remind me that there are still people that would consider Mary as an example of GM being "woke".

What they don't grasp is if a woman could throw a 101mph fastball, somehow their team wouldn't be "woke" if they signed her. It would only be about performance. In this case many, even on this site, don't see the performance in Mary's case. And worse some have a notion that the Camaro being cancelled was all her so, therefore "woke".
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Old 01-17-2025, 04:46 PM   #37
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i didn't see the name calling when men bankrupted GM, and the Camaro was 6 years out of production. of course, social media and politics were a lot different 20 years ago
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Copied from GM website:


"Under Barra’s leadership, GM envisions a world with zero crashes, to save lives; zero emissions, so future generations can inherit a healthier planet; and zero congestion, so customers get back a precious commodity – time.


She is focused on creating the best customer experience and strengthening GM’s core vehicle and services business, while also working to deliver transformative technologies such as electrification, autonomous driving and software.

Prior to becoming CEO, Barra served as GM executive vice president, Global Product Development, Purchasing and Supply Chain, and as senior vice president, Global Product Development. In these roles, Barra and her teams were responsible for the design, engineering and quality of GM vehicle launches worldwide.
Previously, she served as vice president, Global Human Resources; vice president, Global Manufacturing Engineering; plant manager, Detroit-Hamtramck Assembly; and in several other executive engineering and staff positions."

There are a few statements in here that COULD point to the "woke" agenda. I do not see them as a woman issue though.
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"Under Barra’s leadership, GM envisions a world with zero crashes, to save lives; zero emissions, so future generations can inherit a healthier planet; and zero congestion, so customers get back a precious commodity – time.


She is focused on creating the best customer experience and strengthening GM’s core vehicle and services business, while also working to deliver transformative technologies such as electrification, autonomous driving and software.

Prior to becoming CEO, Barra served as GM executive vice president, Global Product Development, Purchasing and Supply Chain, and as senior vice president, Global Product Development. In these roles, Barra and her teams were responsible for the design, engineering and quality of GM vehicle launches worldwide.
Previously, she served as vice president, Global Human Resources; vice president, Global Manufacturing Engineering; plant manager, Detroit-Hamtramck Assembly; and in several other executive engineering and staff positions."

There are a few statements in here that COULD point to the "woke" agenda. I do not see them as a woman issue though.
The way you’ve framed it, particularly for those who believe the stuff in red = woke does make sense. At least a lot more than the “Mary Barra is a DEI hire who needs to resign” bs. At the end of the day she’s an accomplished CEO with an impressive resume of skills and accomplishments who is leading her company to record financial performance and improving stock prices. But, she’s made some strategy decisions that some don’t agree with and therefore she’s part of the woke mob. The interesting thing here though, is that if “go woke go broke” is truly a thing, Mary Barra and GM appear to be bucking the trend.
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Old 01-17-2025, 10:16 PM   #40
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You know Dodge has the ICE Hurricane Charger coming back, right? Not maybe, it will be on lots soon.

Now all the sudden all of you are IF NO V8 IT IS TRASH!

How many here would take a Buick GN? Turbo V6?

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I started driving when I was 17. I've never had anything but V8's. Stoke the fire all you want good sir, but IF I have to say it. Just know I mean it.

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Now woke apparently means "anything I don't like". What about GM could possibly be classified as "woke"?

Woke: alert to and concerned about social injustice and discrimination

Considering I have 5 GM vehicles in my garage right now it's not that I don't like GM Its the direction they are headed.
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Old 01-17-2025, 11:31 PM   #42
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Mr. Fran,

I started driving when I was 17. I've never had anything but V8's. Stoke the fire all you want good sir, but IF I have to say it. Just know I mean it.

Fair enough. Most of us here have our V8s
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