Camaro makes Car and Driver 10 Best List again! - Page 2

c4racer · 12-02-2017, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Quinten_33

Oops, no Mustang? It’s amazing how Chevy got most intangibles right the first time, and they still have a second shot at it with the refresh. I’m honestly surprised that the Stang didn’t make the list, because it seems to be an amazing car after the refresh. What a time to be a car enthusiast...

Let’s just take a moment to acknowledge the lack of a BMW on the list. Is it the lack of a manual M car, the lack of M Power, or the lack of M value? The dropped the V8, they dropped the manual, they’re even phasing out RWD. And to pay $64,000 for a BASE model M4, which has mustang GT power and 1SS standard features, it’s just crazy. I liked their naturally aspirated straight sixes and V8 m5s... but man has BMW Fallen off the performance market.

Completely agree. Not a current bmw that looks interesting to me. I am not a fan of the 6cyl turbos. Love the e36 and e46 M3. Even the e92. My daily is a e39 M5 with the 400hp NA V8 and 6speed. Great sedan. Last good one they made.
Love my Camaro ss!!

ecko04 · 12-02-2017, 03:07 AM

Had a 2012 v6 Camaro (base model) that I bought in 2011. I liked it for its looks but it was a heavy dog and the weight showed. I told myself if it ever went on a diet and transformed into a drivable sports car that I would return to it in SS form.

Went from it to a 2013 FRS which I promptly turbocharged and did a host of other upgrades, loved that ride but ultimately wanted something that had the power I desired with a bit of luxury. So I purchased a G37S manual in 2015 and had it for 5 months before realizing it wasn’t what I wanted.

Got rid of it and moved to a BMW 335i (e92) and man was it enjoyable. Manual, twin scroll, white exterior and brown interior. It had the M-Sport package with upgraded wheels, suspension and tuning. It was a nice car and being under extended warranty when things broke, they were fixed without wrecking the bank account. My last trip to service the airbag recall, leaking oil filter housing gasket, leaking oil pan gasket, faulty MAF sensor, leaking front thrust bushings and intermittent misfire on cylinder 5, I overheard many service advisors calling their clients to inform them of, and I remember this vividly, no less than $4,000 repairs, one was $7,000. My repairs totaled a bit under $4,000 where the warranty paid for all but $500.

The BMWs I saw and had the experience to drive as loaner cars, I simply could not see paying what they ask. Granted, I don’t but new cars at all, but even at used prices I couldn’t see doing it and BMWs don’t hold their value worth anything. That being said the last of the truly good BMWs seemed to be the M235 and M2.

Sold my 335i last Monday, picked up a 2016 2SS from Iowa on Thursday and not looking back!

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Quinten_33 · 12-02-2017, 09:09 AM

I bet that small block in your SS won’t cost a dime in repairs for a long while.

*DGthe3* · 12-02-2017, 10:53 AM

Cool. I don't think there are many performance cars that make 10 best 3 years in a row

mrtoner · 12-02-2017, 11:08 AM

Cool!!!

AZCamaroFan · 12-02-2017, 07:44 PM

hotlap · 12-02-2017, 08:52 PM

No doubt about it. This car is world class and has earned a reputation as one of the best. A true bargain.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 12-02-2017, 08:57 PM

ModernCamaroZ28Fan · 12-05-2017, 11:00 AM

It's crazy how Chevy turned their Camaro from a Pony Car King into a Top 10 Best Sports Cars In The World. All of this Ford competing accidentally bumped it into World Class Competing cars. Heck! The IROC-Z was competing against some porches. Chevy done it well, Can't wait to see what the new ZR1 and Mid-engine Corvette can do.

DevilsReject97 · 12-05-2017, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by metros11

I'm not so sure you can call the Camaro a muscle car any more. It's more of a sports car than anything else.

Truthfully, the Camaro was never a muscle car. I'd argue it was closer to being a muscle car in the 5th gen model than it ever was prior to it.

That being said, I completely agree with your viewpoint. This car is easily becoming a force globally, not just here in the US

Cgocifer · 12-05-2017, 08:37 PM

Yeah, people get into some pretty serious arguments about the definition of a sports car. Lol people will say that a true sports car is a two seater. However if you ask some purists what their favorite sports car is, many will mention the 911. Yup, those have back seats... lol

Whatever class of car you fit the Camaro into (spets car, sports coupe, muscle car, etc.), the modern Camaro is a phenomenal car at any price and the fact that it is affordable and American is a huge bonus! One of the best bangs for the buck out there.

shaffe · 12-06-2017, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeROC

Hehe. I never understand people like this. You're going to spend a ton of money (for most people) on a new car and you don't bother to research your options at all? I mean, if you end up liking the looks of the BMW over the Camaro or something and just have the extra cash to spend, cool, but to not do your research, especially for a performance vehicle, is insane to me.

There are many people that are simply blinded by that "luxury Badge" as a status symbol

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Originally Posted by Cgocifer

Yeah, people get into some pretty serious arguments about the definition of a sports car. Lol people will say that a true sports car is a two seater. However if you ask some purists what their favorite sports car is, many will mention the 911. Yup, those have back seats... lol

Whatever class of car you fit the Camaro into (spets car, sports coupe, muscle car, etc.), the modern Camaro is a phenomenal car at any price and the fact that it is affordable and American is a huge bonus! One of the best bangs for the buck out there.

LOL I think there was a huge thread on that a few months ago. I still say the camaro fits more along the lines of a GT car than a sports car.

to me a sports car is a two seater, Corvette, Miata, etc etc

JamesNoBrakes · 12-06-2017, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by shaffe

There are many people that are simply blinded by that "luxury Badge" as a status symbol

LOL I think there was a huge thread on that a few months ago. I still say the camaro fits more along the lines of a GT car than a sports car.

to me a sports car is a two seater, Corvette, Miata, etc etc

I think it's better to have the broad definition that a "sports car" is one that sacrifices practicality for performance and fun. Once you start splitting the hairs, it gets hard real fast because there are things that manufacturers have come up with that no one ever considered back when the first 2-seaters were made, like 3-seater mclarens, etc...

Quinten_33 · 12-07-2017, 08:59 AM

I see sports cars as a broad range. Miatas, BRZ/GT86 Lotus, Corvettes, Older BMW M cars, Porsches, Golf GTIs, etc. You could even argue that a 570s is a sports car, as does McLaren. I think that the Camaro is a bit too heavy to be a sports car, too aggressive to be a GT, and too well balanced to be a muscle car. Maybe that's the new definition of a Pony car. Why can't the Camaro just be classified as a Camaro?

12-02-2017, 03:07 AM	#16
ecko04 Drives: Too many to list Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: East Coast Runner Posts: 878	Car and Driver 10 Best Had a 2012 v6 Camaro (base model) that I bought in 2011. I liked it for its looks but it was a heavy dog and the weight showed. I told myself if it ever went on a diet and transformed into a drivable sports car that I would return to it in SS form. Went from it to a 2013 FRS which I promptly turbocharged and did a host of other upgrades, loved that ride but ultimately wanted something that had the power I desired with a bit of luxury. So I purchased a G37S manual in 2015 and had it for 5 months before realizing it wasn’t what I wanted. Got rid of it and moved to a BMW 335i (e92) and man was it enjoyable. Manual, twin scroll, white exterior and brown interior. It had the M-Sport package with upgraded wheels, suspension and tuning. It was a nice car and being under extended warranty when things broke, they were fixed without wrecking the bank account. My last trip to service the airbag recall, leaking oil filter housing gasket, leaking oil pan gasket, faulty MAF sensor, leaking front thrust bushings and intermittent misfire on cylinder 5, I overheard many service advisors calling their clients to inform them of, and I remember this vividly, no less than $4,000 repairs, one was $7,000. My repairs totaled a bit under $4,000 where the warranty paid for all but $500. The BMWs I saw and had the experience to drive as loaner cars, I simply could not see paying what they ask. Granted, I don’t but new cars at all, but even at used prices I couldn’t see doing it and BMWs don’t hold their value worth anything. That being said the last of the truly good BMWs seemed to be the M235 and M2. Sold my 335i last Monday, picked up a 2016 2SS from Iowa on Thursday and not looking back! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

12-02-2017, 10:53 AM	#18
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,372	Cool. I don't think there are many performance cars that make 10 best 3 years in a row __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

12-02-2017, 08:52 PM	#21
hotlap Drives: 20 1LE 2SS M6 Rally Green Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Franklin WI Posts: 6,632	No doubt about it. This car is world class and has earned a reputation as one of the best. A true bargain. __________________ "the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.” Ronald Reagan -

12-02-2017, 08:57 PM	#22
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12-02-2017, 09:09 AM	#17
Quinten_33 Drives: Silverado Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Above ground? Posts: 214	I bet that small block in your SS won’t cost a dime in repairs for a long while.

12-02-2017, 11:08 AM	#19
mrtoner Drives: 2016 SS Nightfall Gray Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 196	Cool!!!

12-02-2017, 07:44 PM	#20
AZCamaroFan Camaro6 2016-2018 Drives: sometimes Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 18,450

12-05-2017, 11:00 AM	#23
ModernCamaroZ28Fan LT1_Radenso Drives: a 2 spd water bottle Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: In your trunk Posts: 293	It's crazy how Chevy turned their Camaro from a Pony Car King into a Top 10 Best Sports Cars In The World. All of this Ford competing accidentally bumped it into World Class Competing cars. Heck! The IROC-Z was competing against some porches. Chevy done it well, Can't wait to see what the new ZR1 and Mid-engine Corvette can do.

12-05-2017, 08:37 PM	#25
Cgocifer Drives: 2018 1SS 1LE, 2015 RAM Ecodiesel Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,451	Yeah, people get into some pretty serious arguments about the definition of a sports car. Lol people will say that a true sports car is a two seater. However if you ask some purists what their favorite sports car is, many will mention the 911. Yup, those have back seats... lol Whatever class of car you fit the Camaro into (spets car, sports coupe, muscle car, etc.), the modern Camaro is a phenomenal car at any price and the fact that it is affordable and American is a huge bonus! One of the best bangs for the buck out there.

12-07-2017, 08:59 AM	#28
Quinten_33 Drives: Silverado Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Above ground? Posts: 214	I see sports cars as a broad range. Miatas, BRZ/GT86 Lotus, Corvettes, Older BMW M cars, Porsches, Golf GTIs, etc. You could even argue that a 570s is a sports car, as does McLaren. I think that the Camaro is a bit too heavy to be a sports car, too aggressive to be a GT, and too well balanced to be a muscle car. Maybe that's the new definition of a Pony car. Why can't the Camaro just be classified as a Camaro?

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