[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by CHASLT1

I would have also. But crossing US19 is not for the faint of heart. I have seen so many people almost get hit running across US19.

Impossible to time the lights when everyone runs them for an indeterminate period of time.

[ZX-10R]

Originally Posted by Bangkok_ZL1

I've worked in two dealership with both new and used cars. and here's my 2 cents (whether you'll want it or not, LOL. too late now).... Always buy new and keep long. Yes it's more cash, but you know EVERYTHING that has been done to that car.

Disagree - best deal is always very low miles (<5k) and 1-2 years old buying from a private seller where you can interview them and get a sense how the car was maintained. You can usually tell a meticulous owner, and you can tell when a car has been tracked or abused.

You literally save 10-15k buying like new used, it's well worth the small risk, and the GM certified used warranty is every bit as good - if not better - than new. Granted you have to buy from a dealer to get it but I had the opportunity to talk to the previous owner in my case (he bought a Hellcat, car was too cramped for him)

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by ZX-10R

Disagree - best deal is always very low miles (<5k) and 1-2 years old buying from a private seller where you can interview them and get a sense how the car was maintained. You can usually tell a meticulous owner, and you can tell when a car has been tracked or abused.

You literally save 10-15k buying like new used, it's well worth the small risk, and the GM certified used warranty is every bit as good - if not better - than new. Granted you have to buy from a dealer to get it but I had the opportunity to talk to the previous owner in my case (he bought a Hellcat, car was too cramped for him)

Your points are very reasonable and sensible. However, don't forget that these cars are emotional investments into an experience, not utility. The near-zero mileage, the new car smell, the self-performed break-in, the satisfaction from initial mods like PPF before the first rock chip, the knowledge that absolutely nobody else beat on the car etc. do make a difference to people, and rightfully so.

[ZX-10R]

Right and I've purchased my share of new cars but it's an immediate $10+k hit in this case. I can use that money for ceramic coating and a few mods. New car smell is overrated but I do like to know the maintenance that was performed, and of course all these cars need a catch can and coolant reservoir installed immediately

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by ZX-10R

Right and I've purchased my share of new cars but it's an immediate $10+k hit in this case. I can use that money for ceramic coating and a few mods. New car smell is overrated but I do like to know the maintenance that was performed, and of course all these cars need a catch can and coolant reservoir installed immediately

I know about the catch can but can you fill me in on the coolant reservoir? Why would you need it? If so, which one should I get and where does it go?

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

I know about the catch can but can you fill me in on the coolant reservoir? Why would you need it? If so, which one should I get and where does it go?

Pretty sure he’s talking only for ZL1’s, could be wrong though.

[ZX-10R]

Yes ZL1 - coolant circuit for the intercooler can get air bubbles in it

[JSH]

There's really no way to know. It could have 4,000 mi. at 1,500 rpm avg. or 5500-6500 rpm. If he's local, you could have a shop leak test it, borescope each cylinder, etc.

[JLM1956]

Originally Posted by ZX-10R

Disagree - best deal is always very low miles (<5k) and 1-2 years old buying from a private seller where you can interview them and get a sense how the car was maintained. You can usually tell a meticulous owner, and you can tell when a car has been tracked or abused.

You literally save 10-15k buying like new used, it's well worth the small risk, and the GM certified used warranty is every bit as good - if not better - than new. Granted you have to buy from a dealer to get it but I had the opportunity to talk to the previous owner in my case (he bought a Hellcat, car was too cramped for him)

There are some excellent points being made in this thread. I posted the questions because I knew it would make me and others think and thanks for that. I am curious on how you can tell a car has been tracked. I do not think in todays market like new used is going to save you 10-15k. At least not on a ZL1. Maybe a ZL1E.

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by JLM1956

There are some excellent points being made in this thread. I posted the questions because I knew it would make me and others think and thanks for that. I am curious on how you can tell a car has been tracked. I do not think in todays market like new used is going to save you 10-15k. At least not on a ZL1. Maybe a ZL1E.

It will for sure.

My window sticker was $70,200, no one around the time was dealing on price, I paid $62K. That’s $8k off a new one in this market. I also only lost $500 on my trade from what I paid 2yrs ago.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by ZX-10R

Right and I've purchased my share of new cars but it's an immediate $10+k hit in this case. I can use that money for ceramic coating and a few mods. New car smell is overrated but I do like to know the maintenance that was performed, and of course all these cars need a catch can and coolant reservoir installed immediately

Pre-pandemic prices for used ZL1s was insane. So low, it almost made no sense buying new. Things have normalized a bit, but wow were used prices getting low this time last year.

[ZX-10R]

Low to mid 50s for '19+ was the norm all the way through mid summer, and high 40s for 17s and 18s (not that I would buy a 17 or 18)

I saw plenty of 1LEs for mid to high 50s too

Is the new car smell worth that?

[JLM1956]

Originally Posted by gtfoxy

It will for sure.

My window sticker was $70,200, no one around the time was dealing on price, I paid $62K. That’s $8k off a new one in this market. I also only lost $500 on my trade from what I paid 2yrs ago.

When you bring a trade into the equation it does muddy the numbers a little but it sounds like you did really good. I have not talked to a lot of dealers but the ones I have in the last month were all at sticker. I even saw over MSRP at one on line dealer and hoped that was a typo and not a look at where this might be going. Last year I called on several 19's on that Black Friday sale but was to late. Fantastic deals.

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by JLM1956

When you bring a trade into the equation it does muddy the numbers a little but it sounds like you did really good. I have not talked to a lot of dealers but the ones I have in the last month were all at sticker. I even saw over MSRP at one on line dealer and hoped that was a typo and not a look at where this might be going. Last year I called on several 19's on that Black Friday sale but was to late. Fantastic deals.

Jeff Belzers in New Prague has 2. A black 2020 ($63K) & a blue 2021 ($65k) both under MSRP, both A10’s.

If GM didn’t donkey dick the ‘20+ TCM’s I would have seriously considered either of those, if they were red.