[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by metros11

2. Ford has already said the GT350 stays in production with the GT500 coming in.

Ford has not said that at all.

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[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by metros11

2. Ford has already said the GT350 stays in production with the GT500 coming in.

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

Ford has not said that at all.

I was beginning to wonder if I had missed an announcement somewhere. I can't find a reference of Ford saying this either. And one of the data sources I use shows the plant that makes the flat-planed crank 5.2L being "re-aligned". One explanation for that could be that the GT500 gets the cross-planed, forced induction 5.2L. The same data source shows a 5.2L SC. This has also been reported in the most recent leaked information about GT500.

If that happens and Ford does not continue the GT350, this would make sense, though I have not seen or heard Ford weigh in with either scenario. In fact, as far as I can tell, Ford has not officially acknowledged that there will even be a GT500. For that matter, GM has not officially acknowledged a C8, but there are spy photos. Likewise, there are spy photos of what most likely is GT500 dating back almost two years ago. I live close enough to Ford World HQ and Ford's test track that I'm pretty certain I have seen a couple of these heavily camouflaged test cars on the expressway.

Here's a photo (not taken by me) of a GT500 out testing in January, 2016. I used this photo in a report to the Camaro team and other leadership that it was in fact a real program.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by TunaMelt

I've only sat in the premium trim and I can say with certainty that the Mustang wins interior quality when comparing the Premium and 2SS. And has the new PP2 overheated at the track? Because last I checked it isn't even out yet. Let's let ford deliver first before we imagine races in our heads. Do I think it will beat a 1LE? Nope, but I'll be tickled if Pobst manages to beat it at Laguna just so I can see the mental gymnastics from the die-hards.

The PP2 option has no trans or diff coolers, Mustang's have to resort to the aftermarket for that. Camaro needs to address the 18 mustangs 1/4 mile improvements, the Camaro has things covered in the road course world. Also Randy Pobst say's he can see out of the car just fine and so can I.

[Zack46]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

Ford has not said that at all.

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[F1FTY]

Good. Competition improves the car.

[TunaMelt]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

The PP2 option has no trans or diff coolers, Mustang's have to resort to the aftermarket for that. Camaro needs to address the 18 mustangs 1/4 mile improvements, the Camaro has things covered in the road course world. Also Randy Pobst say's he can see out of the car just fine and so can I.

Just because Pobst is fine with the visibility won't amount to much. Camaro sales are low and the visibility is the main culprit. GM's refusal to address it is going to be a problem as brand loyal customers age and leave the market. The Camaro line will die unless they relent and abandon the retro bunker and let us hang our left arm out the window again. This is the real reason the Mustang won in this publication. If the 1LE didn't exist I'd be driving a 5.0 and GM doesn't seem to care.

[metros11]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

Ford has not said that at all.

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That's what I've read on the Mustang6g forum. It's on the internet so it must be true...

https://www.mustang6g.com/?p=12033

According to the 2020 model-year engine oil requirements document, the 2019+ Shelby GT500 will exist alongside the 2020 Shelby GT350, so Ford fans rejoice — the S550 lineup is going to be an absolute beast in the coming years.

Originally Posted by TunaMelt

Just because Pobst is fine with the visibility won't amount to much. Camaro sales are low and the visibility is the main culprit. GM's refusal to address it is going to be a problem as brand loyal customers age and leave the market. The Camaro line will die unless they relent and abandon the retro bunker and let us hang our left arm out the window again. This is the real reason the Mustang won in this publication. If the 1LE didn't exist I'd be driving a 5.0 and GM doesn't seem to care.

That last part is probably true for me. However I disagree on the visibility being the culprit for low sales. I think for the most part the Mustang is a better looking car, that's why it sells more units.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by metros11

That's what I've read on the Mustang6g forum. It's on the internet so it must be true...

https://www.mustang6g.com/?p=12033

According to the 2020 model-year engine oil requirements document, the 2019+ Shelby GT500 will exist alongside the 2020 Shelby GT350, so Ford fans rejoice — the S550 lineup is going to be an absolute beast in the coming years.


That last part is probably true for me. However I disagree on the visibility being the culprit for low sales. I think for the most part the Mustang is a better looking car, that's why it sells more units.

Good stuff. There's a little nuance here. Ford has not actually said that the GT500 exists, but someone in the Mustang 6 forum has found conclusive evidence that it does, AND that the GT350 will co-exist. Ford hasn't said it, but others have pretty much proven it. Similar position with C8. Nobody at GM will acknowledge its existence, but if you look hard enough in the right places, you can find pictures and specs.

It looks to me like there will be some very small overlap. Maybe just a few months. Could just be a matter of product crossing paths on the lots after GT350 ends and GT500 starts production. The reason I say this is some factory production forecast information I have access to shows the Ford Essex plant building a 5.2L naturally aspirated engine (GT350) until the end of 2020. Then it's gone. And it shows the Ford Romeo plant building a 5.2SC, 725 hp (but I think it'll be more) starting in 2020, not 2019. The Essex plant builds the flat-plane. It is not clear if the Romeo plant will build flat-planed or cross -planed, but the general thinking here is it will be cross-planed or they would have just as well left it in Essex.

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by STYLO LT1

US News, doing what they do best, Fake news!

Yea, fake news is what you call real news when real news does not agree with you want reality to be like.

[outobie]

I’m not much of a car guy but I just bought a Camaro over the 2018 mustang because of three things. It felt slower, the handling seemed a bit twitchy, and I didn’t like the interior ... thought it looked cheap compared to the Camaro. For me I was down to a bmw or the Camaro mustang was further down the list.

Gotta say I’d have picked the Miata if it had 4 seats... I love the way they drive

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Good stuff. There's a little nuance here. Ford has not actually said that the GT500 exists, but someone in the Mustang 6 forum has found conclusive evidence that it does, AND that the GT350 will co-exist. Ford hasn't said it, but others have pretty much proven it. Similar position with C8. Nobody at GM will acknowledge its existence, but if you look hard enough in the right places, you can find pictures and specs.

It looks to me like there will be some very small overlap. Maybe just a few months. Could just be a matter of product crossing paths on the lots after GT350 ends and GT500 starts production. The reason I say this is some factory production forecast information I have access to shows the Ford Essex plant building a 5.2L naturally aspirated engine (GT350) until the end of 2020. Then it's gone. And it shows the Ford Romeo plant building a 5.2SC, 725 hp (but I think it'll be more) starting in 2020, not 2019. The Essex plant builds the flat-plane. It is not clear if the Romeo plant will build flat-planed or cross -planed, but the general thinking here is it will be cross-planed or they would have just as well left it in Essex.

So, is the GM LT2 going to debut in the 2019 Camaro SS, or are they saving it for C8 (2020 Corvette)?

[KMPrenger]

My opinion, the Camaro interior looks great and is less busy than the overly-busy Mustang, with its button and switch filled dash. I don't hate the Mustang interior, but for me....well you know the rest.

I have to say...overall, after looking at other Ford interiors such as the Escape or Edge compared to their GM competitors, they are much less appealing.

As a former 5th gen Camaro owner, I feel like I can safely say its interior could have used a bit more work, but I've been happier with the 6th gen interior design.

On the topic of interiors....the WORST design I've ever seen? The Tesla Model 3.

[Chazzz]

Originally Posted by metros11

That's what I've read on the Mustang6g forum. It's on the internet so it must be true...

https://www.mustang6g.com/?p=12033

According to the 2020 model-year engine oil requirements document, the 2019+ Shelby GT500 will exist alongside the 2020 Shelby GT350, so Ford fans rejoice — the S550 lineup is going to be an absolute beast in the coming years.


That last part is probably true for me. However I disagree on the visibility being the culprit for low sales. I think for the most part the Mustang is a better looking car, that's why it sells more units.

Until the 2018 refresh and price increase Mustang had a substantial price advantage over Gen6 Camaros. Gen5 Camaros had similar visibility issues and stlll consistently outsold Mustang up until the latest generation Mustang debuted as an easier to live with more practical sports muscle car I.E. more useable interior room, back seat and trunk. These are all areas where Gen6 took a step back along with the substantial price increase that needed to be quickly adjusted after poor first year sales numbers. I am convinced the next generation Camaro, if we are fortunate enough to see one will go in a totally different direction as a roomier more liveable design with better visibility interior space and trunk room. Let's hope this can be accomplished while maintaining weight reduction.

[Techn9cian805]

Originally Posted by samurai

Toyota 86? Give that thing a real engine before you call that a sportscar. A 150hp VW Golf is faster than a GT86

Don't disrespect the GT86, they aren't drag racers, they are SPORTS cars, and are great handling cars. I am actually not mad at all that it tied with it, as those two are my most favorite cars out right now.
I wish i could afford a BRZ or FR-S as a second car, i haven't had as much fun on windy back roads in any car like i did when i tested an FR-S. It's not fast in a straight line, and if that's what's most important to you, you will be dissapointed, but it sure is fun around corners, and best of all, you can virtually 10/10 those cars all day without breaking any speed laws lol