SS with 2650 eldelbrock, which fueling upgrade to get first? - Page 2

Eldi Z · 06-10-2021, 06:08 PM

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EDFHOBBIES · 06-21-2021, 07:00 AM

Example.. not a 2650 but same will apply I have the 2650 on mine..

Wife has the 2300 LT Eforce she made 551 rwhp 570 TQ with a CAN tune totally stock on a mustang dyno Edelbrock stated 580 with a DYno jet so this was pretty accurate. Later we added rotofab and Headers then the SS made 580 rwhp and 599 TQ. I gave her my LT4 HPFP, LT4 injectors, and we added the DSX aux pump. Now she's up at 615hp 666TQ. from the numbers you can see that the hold back was fueling and now its a compression/octane problem combined with IATs. As we speak I'm doing a trunk tank for here not really to add power but so she can make the same power more consistently and to get rid of the cheap fill tank that constantly loses coolant. BTW the little fill reservoir that all the kits come with will do nothing for capacity and will go dry or at least cause air pockets and kill performance (A code will generally appear with IAT non correlation P0099) if you get that code check the supercharger coolant.

You ought to be 580 to 610 depending on dyno Edelbrock stated 609 hp but doesn't say rear wheel But I do remember talking to Nick who is now with Whipple saying that the 2650 got into the 600s with the a truck but they have bigger lids and cats didn't heat up as bad.

I know your not looking for all out but if it was me and knowing what kong porting can do not just for performance but for more efficiency I would send the blower to him to be ported, run a 103 TB, rotofab, lt4 injectors, lt4 HPFP, a JMS voltage blaster for the low side or the dsx pump and then do a cooling mod like a rear tank for extra capacity like the weaponX (if your wanting it to fit under the carpet) or just a universal one for 200 from PNR from jegs or summit.

Anyhow the porting and extra cooling capacity will take you long ways on 93 and power will not diminish when it get hots.

It makes sense to do the lt4 stuff now since the pump and injectors are exposed. If your not doing the work yourself that's 450 for R & R each time the blower is pulled. You could just buy the edelbrock straight from kong.

The List:

Lt4 injectors all with same part numbers or flow
LT4 HPFP
LT4 High pressure fuel lines less restrictive
LT4 Check valve from LPE ditch the oem
DSX Aux pump or take chances with SMG vacuum hobs setup or the JMS voltage booster

Not necessary but will make a huge difference

Kong porting
103 TB
Rotofab intake
headers
trunk reservoir for 5 gallons plus or the easier route 2.5 LPE front mount tank or cords front mount tank both mount on the front bumper.

jamessh10 · 06-22-2021, 09:02 AM

well i think i made up my mind.
here is the list:
2650 stock pulley, need advice on pulley setup.
full lt4 fuel system stg 2 from wildhammer (intank,injectors,hpfp,high pressure fuel line)
the kit says lt1 high pressure fuel line, I've heard you need to upgrade 2 hoses is this correct? the kit only comes with one.
debating on dsx aux pump or voltage booster
pd3 gpi blower cam 32% fuel lobe
dod delete
johnson lifters
trunnion upgrade
gpi complete drop in rods and pistons
258mm circle d 2800-3000
ported oem heads from GPI
mighty mouse wild catch can.
i didnt include the little stuff like trays, gaskets, and head bolts.

what else do i need?
pulley suggestions?
with the dsx and or voltage booster could i run full E?
im looking for about 800whp

dont grammar police me plz.

EDFHOBBIES · 06-22-2021, 10:04 AM

It sounds like you going big.. don't waste the money on the LT4 fuel parts and go port injection look up crawford racing I think his fuel system with holley ecu is 5k good to run full E to 1200 rwhp or more

jamessh10 · 06-22-2021, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

It sounds like you going big.. don't waste the money on the LT4 fuel parts and go port injection look up crawford racing I think his fuel system with holley ecu is 5k good to run full E to 1200 rwhp or more

i'd be happy with 750-800 i think that is a little much. idk i drive the car alot. i want reliability

jamessh10 · 06-22-2021, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

It sounds like you going big.. don't waste the money on the LT4 fuel parts and go port injection look up crawford racing I think his fuel system with holley ecu is 5k good to run full E to 1200 rwhp or more

also, i dont want to deal with meth.

Puddin · 06-22-2021, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jamessh10

i'd be happy with 750-800 i think that is a little much. idk i drive the car alot. i want reliability

Modifying a car and the word reliable don't go together especially if you're out actually using all the power. Race, Repair, and Repeat. 750 to 8 is a pretty good stopping point before it gets too crazy. Any farther than that you might as well pull the transmission because that's your next weak link power train wise.

Puddin · 06-22-2021, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jamessh10

also, i dont want to deal with meth.

He's talking about adding another set of injectors to the Edelbrock since it has spots for them molded into the blower itself. If your wanting to make big power that would be the way to go.

jamessh10 · 06-22-2021, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Puddin

Modifying a car and the word reliable don't go together especially if you're out actually using all the power. Race, Repair, and Repeat. 750 to 8 is a pretty good stopping point before it gets too crazy. Any farther than that you might as well pull the transmission because that's your next weak link power train wise.

no i agree thats why i was just going with full lt4 fueling
idk if i want a booster or drill a hole in my tank.
700-850 is really the max i want.

jamessh10 · 06-23-2021, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Puddin

He's talking about adding another set of injectors to the Edelbrock since it has spots for them molded into the blower itself. If your wanting to make big power that would be the way to go.

yes i know that, but like i said that would be a little to crazy for what i do with the car.

idk how i couldnt make 700 on full lt4 fuel with a booster and a 32% fuel lobe.

Puddin · 06-23-2021, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jamessh10

yes i know that, but like i said that would be a little to crazy for what i do with the car.

idk how i couldnt make 700 on full lt4 fuel with a booster and a 32% fuel lobe.

You can Jannetty Racings kit puts you at 700 or a little more and it's pretty much the same setup you're looking for and his uses the JMS booster. 800 might be asking a little much of the Lt4 system at that point I'd move to the Fic or Katech options.

jamessh10 · 06-23-2021, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Puddin

You can Jannetty Racings kit puts you at 700 or a little more and it's pretty much the same setup you're looking for and his uses the JMS booster. 800 might be asking a little much of the Lt4 system at that point I'd move to the Fic or Katech options.

I think he uses a big ass fuel lobe in his cam tho

06-21-2021, 07:00 AM	#16
EDFHOBBIES Dyno Show Queen LOL Drives: 16 SS & 17 ZL1 Both Yellow Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Houston Posts: 4,345 View My Garage	Example.. not a 2650 but same will apply I have the 2650 on mine.. Wife has the 2300 LT Eforce she made 551 rwhp 570 TQ with a CAN tune totally stock on a mustang dyno Edelbrock stated 580 with a DYno jet so this was pretty accurate. Later we added rotofab and Headers then the SS made 580 rwhp and 599 TQ. I gave her my LT4 HPFP, LT4 injectors, and we added the DSX aux pump. Now she's up at 615hp 666TQ. from the numbers you can see that the hold back was fueling and now its a compression/octane problem combined with IATs. As we speak I'm doing a trunk tank for here not really to add power but so she can make the same power more consistently and to get rid of the cheap fill tank that constantly loses coolant. BTW the little fill reservoir that all the kits come with will do nothing for capacity and will go dry or at least cause air pockets and kill performance (A code will generally appear with IAT non correlation P0099) if you get that code check the supercharger coolant. You ought to be 580 to 610 depending on dyno Edelbrock stated 609 hp but doesn't say rear wheel But I do remember talking to Nick who is now with Whipple saying that the 2650 got into the 600s with the a truck but they have bigger lids and cats didn't heat up as bad. I know your not looking for all out but if it was me and knowing what kong porting can do not just for performance but for more efficiency I would send the blower to him to be ported, run a 103 TB, rotofab, lt4 injectors, lt4 HPFP, a JMS voltage blaster for the low side or the dsx pump and then do a cooling mod like a rear tank for extra capacity like the weaponX (if your wanting it to fit under the carpet) or just a universal one for 200 from PNR from jegs or summit. Anyhow the porting and extra cooling capacity will take you long ways on 93 and power will not diminish when it get hots. It makes sense to do the lt4 stuff now since the pump and injectors are exposed. If your not doing the work yourself that's 450 for R & R each time the blower is pulled. You could just buy the edelbrock straight from kong. The List: Lt4 injectors all with same part numbers or flow LT4 HPFP LT4 High pressure fuel lines less restrictive LT4 Check valve from LPE ditch the oem DSX Aux pump or take chances with SMG vacuum hobs setup or the JMS voltage booster Not necessary but will make a huge difference Kong porting 103 TB Rotofab intake headers trunk reservoir for 5 gallons plus or the easier route 2.5 LPE front mount tank or cords front mount tank both mount on the front bumper. __________________ Kong Ported 2650, Crawford Racing Port Injection, Weapon X 112mm Adapter, NW112mm TB, Livernois Ported LT4 Heads, Lingenfelter GT32 stealth cam, Haltech Elite, and Carbon by Trufiber

06-22-2021, 10:04 AM	#18
EDFHOBBIES Dyno Show Queen LOL Drives: 16 SS & 17 ZL1 Both Yellow Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Houston Posts: 4,345 View My Garage	It sounds like you going big.. don't waste the money on the LT4 fuel parts and go port injection look up crawford racing I think his fuel system with holley ecu is 5k good to run full E to 1200 rwhp or more __________________ Kong Ported 2650, Crawford Racing Port Injection, Weapon X 112mm Adapter, NW112mm TB, Livernois Ported LT4 Heads, Lingenfelter GT32 stealth cam, Haltech Elite, and Carbon by Trufiber

06-22-2021, 09:02 AM	#17
jamessh10 Drives: 2018 camaro 2SS Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Baton Rouge,LA Posts: 52	well i think i made up my mind. here is the list: 2650 stock pulley, need advice on pulley setup. full lt4 fuel system stg 2 from wildhammer (intank,injectors,hpfp,high pressure fuel line) the kit says lt1 high pressure fuel line, I've heard you need to upgrade 2 hoses is this correct? the kit only comes with one. debating on dsx aux pump or voltage booster pd3 gpi blower cam 32% fuel lobe dod delete johnson lifters trunnion upgrade gpi complete drop in rods and pistons 258mm circle d 2800-3000 ported oem heads from GPI mighty mouse wild catch can. i didnt include the little stuff like trays, gaskets, and head bolts. what else do i need? pulley suggestions? with the dsx and or voltage booster could i run full E? im looking for about 800whp dont grammar police me plz.

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