[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

carbs are not great, they're just cheap and fully mechanical in nature

A carburetor is actually a fluidic computer (as were non-electronic automatic transmissions).

Just that fluids having mass cannot respond as quickly as electrons.


Norm

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

dislike ev cars if you want, but trying to paint them as a status symbol for rich people while driving around in a 42-60 thousand dollar gas burner (while similarly fast ev's (model 3 matches up well) go for 50k-before rebates) isn't a good one.

You can't deny EVs as status symbols, especially among the early adopters. And we're still in that stage, with the current hot image being about demonstrating one's acceptance of EVs in general. Gotta make sure you look like you're ahead of the curve, too.

You're fooling yourself if you think driving around a new SS isn't every bit of a status symbol as driving around an EV. Maybe not to the same people, but it definitely is.

Probably true in at least some cases. But that's more about the individual's reasons for getting an SS. For somebody like me, an SS is only about what would please me, not about some projected image for others to either appreciate or disrespect.


Norm

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

I would agree, but the group that just does quarter mile tracking vs those that take their car to a closed loop track are drastically different in size. So how much does the track performance matter vs the quarter mile straight line?

If you're in either of those camps, does it really even matter how well (or how poorly) an EV would work for folks in the other group???

Seems to me if you let that get in the way, you're back to buying to impress others.

at which point, track performance is not really relevant to most people who are in the comparing car performance crowd.

I don't know about you, but I buy cars to suit at most two people. And we're pretty much on the same page as far as how we want them configured.

So it doesn't matter how many other customers shopping the same few cars that show up on our 'short list' don't care about potential road course performance or how much of it might translate to their street driving. I'm not doing their car-shopping for them.


Norm

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

If you're in either of those camps, does it really even matter how well (or how poorly) an EV would work for folks in the other group???

Seems to me if you let that get in the way, you're back to buying to impress others.



I don't know about you, but I buy cars to suit at most two people. And we're pretty much on the same page as far as how we want them configured.

So it doesn't matter how many other customers shopping the same few cars that show up on our 'short list' don't care about potential road course performance or how much of it might translate to their street driving. I'm not doing their car-shopping for them.


Norm

Looking at your signature, we are glad.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

Looking at your signature, we are glad.

Hey, from time to time the Camaro has been on the potential short list. Some times at the very top of it (but the timing with respect to our buying cycle was all wrong). For 2008, we all know the reason, and for 2019 we still needed a 4-door sedan.

I wouldn't have 6500+ posts on Camaro5/6 if I had no interest in the cars . . .


Norm

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Hey, from time to time the Camaro has been on the potential short list. Some times at the very top of it (but the timing with respect to our buying cycle was all wrong). For 2008, we all know the reason, and for 2019 we still needed a 4-door sedan.

I wouldn't have 6500+ posts on Camaro5/6 if I had no interest in the cars . . .


Norm

I was goofin, I honestly do not care what you drive.

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

I was goofin, I honestly do not care what you drive.

In that case maybe I'll trade my Camaro in for this. And still stay on the Camaro6 forum

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

In that case maybe I'll trade my Camaro in for this. And still stay on the Camaro6 forum

Oh, the mighty Trabant with its 26 (yes, twenty six) horsepower!

You haven't really known fear until you "accelerate" to 60 mph in one of these and realize your brakes are as powerful as those on your bicycle, and the body is as sturdy as a cardboard box

[redcoats1976]

i love my 6 cylinder camaro and i dont give a crap if the whole world knows it...

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

In that case maybe I'll trade my Camaro in for this. And still stay on the Camaro6 forum

Attachment 1057777

For Doug? He is cool.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by redcoats1976

i love my 6 cylinder camaro and i dont give a crap if the whole world knows it...

What the hell are you talking about

[Wontspeak]

I don’t think that far ahead *laughs* For me, it’s one track day season at a time. My name is Wontspeak and I’m a non recovering TrackAddict.

[bob13bob]

sports cars were made to go electric. much lower center of gravity and turning radial mass as well. The lack of big engine and transmission allows much better design freedom to really make it performance. the camaro team who did the alpha team... should be able to make a great electric version eventually i can't wait for a GM camaro. imma buy a convertible now. buy the bev version later.

forget e diff... computer controlled wheels by wire awd. only problem is their weight, but where else can you get 1000hp practical car relatively cheaply.

someone posted the 2020 model s repeat 1/4 times.. but thats the old tech first gen . lots of model 3 performance doing repeat laps at the nurburing. they are fast cars. model s plaid+ 0-60 in less than 2 seconds, uses new battery and cooling system (gen 2). all non BEV are just going to be painfully slow cars once they've really optimized the bev platform.

the best benchmark will be laptimes. Data will speak for itself.

GM will go bev electric or die trying. if they don't try, they will just die. it's the future.

[Number 3]

And then there is this......ultimately EVs are more profitable.

https://apple.news/AOlWu3e2wSGuy78wcZQiFMQ