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Old 02-21-2015, 11:13 AM   #15
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Don't believe heritage had anything to do with the LS7 in the Z/28, they needed a lighter engine than the LSA. Besides heritage doesn't seem to be a concern now since the Z06 has gone S/C as well.

Like Z/284ever, PYROLYSIS, and Number 3 have said, the question is will we get two separate models. If we do, I bet it will not be at launch, that's just my guess.
I believe that Mark Reuss has specifically stated that the Z/28 needed to stay NA and a supercharged engine would nor be true to the heritage of the model.

I agree they seem to have diverged from this position with the C7 Z06.
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Old 02-21-2015, 11:17 AM   #16
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I believe that Mark Reuss has specifically stated that the Z/28 needed to stay NA and a supercharged engine would nor be true to the heritage of the model.

I agree they seem to have diverged from this position with the C7 Z06.
I would agree with Mark but the Z/28 nameplate has been subjected to many insults to its heritage. Just goes to show you how quickly things like that get put in the backseat to emissions, cost, or simply PR stunts.
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Old 02-21-2015, 11:36 AM   #17
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I can't see how we would have both. I'd guess the Z/28 before the ZL1. I think we learned the 5th gen ZL1 was going to be a Z/28 until it was deemed that a Z/28 could not be a S/C'd engine based on the heritage of the model. The ZL1 was kind of a fix it model name and really is a hybrid car much different than the original ZL1 in 1969. I can't see the 6th gen having two $60k + performance models.
I'm OK with the current ZL1 making a name for itself. For it to be totally true to the original it would be a straight line barnstormer only. They did a heck of a job giving it 580HP and the handling capability that it has. An LT4 powered Camaro would be a damn fine motor to continue that tradition. Hopefully the huge success of the fifth gen and the rave reviews of the Z/28 were enough to make a case for a high horsepower NA motor. It's the only piece missing from the puzzle. We know the platform is more than capable and that they would have zero trouble taking the handling up a few thousand notches.
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Old 02-21-2015, 11:42 AM   #18
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I would agree with Mark but the Z/28 nameplate has been subjected to many insults to its heritage. Just goes to show you how quickly things like that get put in the backseat to emissions, cost, or simply PR stunts.
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I'm OK with the current ZL1 making a name for itself. For it to be totally true to the original it would be a straight line barnstormer only. They did a heck of a job giving it 580HP and the handling capability that it has. An LT4 powered Camaro would be a damn fine motor to continue that tradition. Hopefully the huge success of the fifth gen and he rave reviews of the Z/28 were enough to make a case for a high horsepower NA motor. It's the only piece missing from the puzzle. We know the platform is more than capable and that they would have zero trouble taking the handling up a few thousand notches.

I agree with both of you. I'm interested to see where this goes. I just hope GM steals all of the thunder this go around...
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Old 02-21-2015, 12:00 PM   #19
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I think that's what all the speculation was about this test mule. It could literally be anything.

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Old 02-21-2015, 12:16 PM   #20
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It depends on what powertrains are available.

As Pyrolysis said, we only know of 2 V8s................KNOW of.

My hope is that there will be a Z/28 unique powertrain. A variant of the LT1 which gets a 10% bump to 505 from the LT1.

Ford is likely still going to announce the GT500. That is the mission target for the LT4 powered Camaro.

What I hope also is we see the Z/28 come down in price to be between the SS/1LE and the ZL1.

Ford is setting the competitive landscape right now. Let's hope GM not only answers the bell but goes for the 1st round KO. TKO is not enough.

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So my thoughts are LT4 exists so it may be earlier than the Z/28. But I also don't see GM letting Ford own the "track biased" segment for very long with the GT350/350R.

So

Launch - LS, LT, LTZ, SS, SS LTZ, 1LE (V6 too??)

6 months after launch - Convertible

9 months after launch - ZL1

12 months after launch - Z/28

Fingers crossed.
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Old 02-21-2015, 01:30 PM   #21
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It depends on what powertrains are available.

As Pyrolysis said, we only know of 2 V8s................KNOW of.

My hope is that there will be a Z/28 unique powertrain. A variant of the LT1 which gets a 10% bump to 505 from the LT1.

Ford is likely still going to announce the GT500. That is the mission target for the LT4 powered Camaro.

What I hope also is we see the Z/28 come down in price to be between the SS/1LE and the ZL1.

Ford is setting the competitive landscape right now. Let's hope GM not only answers the bell but goes for the 1st round KO. TKO is not enough.

LAY.......................THEM.................... .OUT!!!

So my thoughts are LT4 exists so it may be earlier than the Z/28. But I also don't see GM letting Ford own the "track biased" segment for very long with the GT350/350R.

So

Launch - LS, LT, LTZ, SS, SS LTZ, 1LE (V6 too??)

6 months after launch - Convertible

9 months after launch - ZL1

12 months after launch - Z/28

Fingers crossed.
The timing you laid out would be fantastic!
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Old 02-21-2015, 01:35 PM   #22
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GM built a TT3.6 in a 5G for Jay Leno.
It was called a modern interpretation of the Z/28.
Is it possible that the LF4 could be coming to a HP Camaro?
Most of the work has been done with the ATS-V.
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GM built a TT3.6 in a 5G for Jay Leno.
It was called a modern interpretation of the Z/28.
Is it possible that the LF4 could be coming to a HP Camaro?
Most of the work has been done with the ATS-V.
Considering the LF4 is no more powerful or efficient than the LT1, I would say no. I never saw a comparison on the weight of the LF4 vs LT1, but with all the plumbing needed for turbos, can't image it weights any less.
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Old 02-21-2015, 01:53 PM   #24
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Although the torque plateau on the LF4 is better than the LT1 unless they come with a hotter version it is likely not worth the difference stock.
Tuned is a whole different story, but I am not sure GM is embracing that market like Ford is with the Ecoboost line.
I guess I am just waiting for the first TTv6 pony car.
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Old 02-21-2015, 02:33 PM   #25
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I do not see a 2016 Z/28 when the dealers are filled with 2015 Z/28's there not selling. ZL1 maybe but there not going to steal the Corvette thunder with the LT4 very fast. I do think they are going 2.0 4cyl twin turbo. and I think corvette is going to do the ZR1 next year that appears to be there cycle... 2017 that's a different animal. Ford threw the first salvo with the 600hp 6cyl twin turbo GT, and Corvette has to respond. 2018 Cafe' laws are going to be tough. That's why you see all the exotics Porsche and Lambo's and McClarens going to the 50/50 Gas electric system, So they can be sold in the US.
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I think that's what all the speculation was about this test mule. It could literally be anything.

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I've always been suspicious of this car. How many third gens do you see in that good of a condition?
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I don't see all the models coming out in the first 12 months.
Remember, the next generation probably won't be out for another 5 years or so.
If they roll out all the models within the first 12 months, what will they do for the next 4 years till the next gen comes out?
Coming out with a new model every year or so is what keeps the masses interested in the car.
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Old 02-21-2015, 07:33 PM   #28
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The Z28 isn't selling so a ZL1 and a ZL1R.
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