[flaps100]

The Camaro is more of a Sports Car then a Muscle Car. Any model I drove , was better Driving than any car we tested up to that time and the Turbo is a ball to drive, mine with RS looks under $28,000, a tad more than a shitty driving V6 Challenger???

Originally Posted by m666etal

The problem is the base models of the V8 mustangs and challengers are still cheaper than the base Camaro. They have better deals on them as well.
To top it off the younger generation is really not interested in owning muscle cars.

[DirectTo]

Originally Posted by RagingHawk

From my observations:

-People don't think the Camaro is 'cool to have', the car gets a lot of hate(don't ask my why)

-Dealers inventory consists mostly of expensive LT models that are near SS prices which nobody will pay for or want. Even Turbo 4's are over 30K ....

-It's less practical than competition, most consumers don't pay attention to sportiness that much or understand what differentiates the Camaro from competition. They think/believe they are getting better value with other cars

-Not the best car for overweight people. A lot of muscle car buyers happen to be hefty and want more space.

Hit a lot of nails squarely on the head here.

The LT prices are a bit absurd for what they are - if you don’t care about the performance aspect enough to get an SS, you’re much better off spending less money on another car that will likely have better features, quality, and fit and finish. The Camaro felt cheap to me on the inside after a while.

Offloaded mine last night - with less than 8000 miles the $35,500 sticker netted offers in the lower to mid 20s. Luckily I owed less than 10K on it, but I imagine a ton of people are upside down in them the way they depreciate.

Unless you’re the guy who wants a 1LE and actually tracks it, you’re paying a lot for what amounts to a toy for a normal LT or SS, your money will go further with either of the competitors or even a sedan.

[yankee]

People don’t seem to like quality

[newmoon]

The problem with the Camaro is simple Chevy set a goal of achieving Ring supremacy and they ignored everything else about the car. They have a great performer with the LT1 and superior handling, unfortunately its wrapped in a body/design and functionality that nobody wants.

The good news is that I think that the refreshed 2019 model will improve the sales numbers.

[zx9rmal]

<<I drove 3 Challengers and when I turn 70 maybe?>>

I am 70, and......no way.

[rocket403]

If the Camaro had a trunk that you could use, a back seat that could fit real people and maybe a centre console that was useable it would sell better, how many family guys would want to get a sports car that could do double duty. That is the main advantage that Dodge has with the Challenger and Charger, if the 2 door Challenger is not able to solve your quest for RWD performance then the Charger may.

[Tyl3r]

Originally Posted by DirectTo

Hit a lot of nails squarely on the head here.

The LT prices are a bit absurd for what they are - if you don’t care about the performance aspect enough to get an SS, you’re much better off spending less money on another car that will likely have better features, quality, and fit and finish. The Camaro felt cheap to me on the inside after a while.

Offloaded mine last night - with less than 8000 miles the $35,500 sticker netted offers in the lower to mid 20s. Luckily I owed less than 10K on it, but I imagine a ton of people are upside down in them the way they depreciate.

Unless you’re the guy who wants a 1LE and actually tracks it, you’re paying a lot for what amounts to a toy for a normal LT or SS, your money will go further with either of the competitors or even a sedan.

Did you pay sticker?

[RagingHawk]

Originally Posted by DirectTo

Hit a lot of nails squarely on the head here.

The LT prices are a bit absurd for what they are - if you don’t care about the performance aspect enough to get an SS, you’re much better off spending less money on another car that will likely have better features, quality, and fit and finish. The Camaro felt cheap to me on the inside after a while.

Offloaded mine last night - with less than 8000 miles the $35,500 sticker netted offers in the lower to mid 20s. Luckily I owed less than 10K on it, but I imagine a ton of people are upside down in them the way they depreciate.

Unless you’re the guy who wants a 1LE and actually tracks it, you’re paying a lot for what amounts to a toy for a normal LT or SS, your money will go further with either of the competitors or even a sedan.

Thanks.

Yep, the LT models are not worth it to me. That's partially because they're mostly fully loaded and not many moderate to low optioned out models on dealer lots. The SS on other hand I see plenty of value in it, especially the base model which if discounted is cheaper than the Scat pack/Mustang PP models at dealer lots here in Michigan.

Hope you're enjoying your new car , do whatever is best for you.

[Tyl3r]

I don't know about y'all, but I purchased a FULLY loaded 2LT (leather seats, red interior accent, sunroof, navigation, BOSE, memory package, heated & air cooled seats, sill plates, auto dimming mirror, park assist, traffic alert, 8" display, blind spot alert, HUD, 20" rims, and heated steering wheel). I have every feature out on the market, other than the car driving itself, for $10K less than a Mercedes C300 coupe. Am I missing something?

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by khell86

Aren't they canceling the ATS/CTS for next generation and are simply going with the CT5 being the smallest car they offer?

I think that was the original plan I had heard...basically scrapping ATS/CTS/XTS and creating a CT5 that would be sized around the middle of those cars. But now I think the latest is that a CT3 (or CT4?) and CT5 is coming on Alpha 2.

So yeah...you can bet the 7th gen Camaro will be coming on Alpha 2. 8th gen...who knows.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by Tyl3r

I don't know about y'all, but I purchased a FULLY loaded 2LT (leather seats, red interior accent, sunroof, navigation, BOSE, memory package, heated & air cooled seats, sill plates, auto dimming mirror, park assist, traffic alert, 8" display, blind spot alert, HUD, 20" rims, and heated steering wheel). I have every feature out on the market, other than the car driving itself, for $10K less than a Mercedes C300 coupe. Am I missing something?

Yeah..a LT1 that matches the hype the automotive journalists rave about and gets the attention online.

[Tyl3r]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Yeah..a LT1 that matches the hype the automotive journalists rave about and gets the attention online.

Base 1LT is the same price as an Accord coupe, not sure what more they need.

[ivey_usmc]

That's fine with me. Ill have better luck on finding one!! I had a 16 scatpack charger but wanted to go back to a 6speed. I honestly never looked at the camaro's until recently and im glad I did! Here in about 15-20 days ill be on the hunt for a ss1 1LE

[DirectTo]

Originally Posted by Tyl3r

Did you pay sticker?

I hope no one pays sticker.

It’s a niche market and ford and dodge definitely have their marketing down better...Chevy’s niche seems to be shrinking by the quarter while theirs is holding or growing.

There’s a point where it’s just fanboys yelling rather than discussing the issues with the current platform that are playing out in dismal sales numbers.