[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I suppose it works in your favor when you have 6 years to build a car as opposed to everyone else doing it in 1 year. Sucks that after 6 years it still won't match the ZLE and will only be "equal" to the Redeye.

Yeah it will be absolutely terrible that Ford can build 1 car that can compete with the best of both GM and Fiats one trick ponies.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

Where are you getting this bogus info, your imagination. Are you really going by LL times?

what source are supposed to use? your fantasies?

the Z28 killed the 1LE at the LL and the 350R killed the Z28 at the Ring so how do you come up with the 1LE being remotely close to the 350R. Its laughable.

[13vertss]

Try Willow springs, LS, motortrend fiqure 8. Also, MT H2H with 350r vs z28, the also used the tp350. The 350 was 3 sec slower then the R with same driver same day. So when I see the 1le within 3 sec of R, it beats the gt350. Even on one track, the 1le had same time as R, and that was same driver. And if your going by LL Times, the the R gets beat by a outgoing z28. So you can’t have it both ways.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

Where are you getting this bogus info, your imagination. Are you really going by LL times?

He's only counting the track times that makes the Mustang look good.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

Try Willow springs, LS, motortrend fiqure 8. Also, MT H2H with 350r vs z28, the also used the tp350. The 350 was 3 sec slower then the R with same driver same day. So when I see the 1le within 3 sec of R, it beats the gt350. Even on one track, the 1le had same time as R, and that was same driver. And if your going by LL Times, the the R gets beat by a outgoing z28. So you can’t have it both ways.

The 1LE beats the Z28 on zero tracks. Randy is faster in the R than the Z. The R is 5 seconds faster than the Z at the Ring. The Z is 5 seconds faster than the 1LE at the LL... GTFO with your figure 8 nonesense


... the base 350 is on SC2's not PS these days with revised suspension and aero. The delta between it and the R is less than it was in past years. 1LE won't touch it.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

The 1LE beats the Z28 on zero tracks. Randy is faster in the R than the Z. The R is 5 seconds faster than the Z at the Ring. The Z is 5 seconds faster than the 1LE at the LL... GTFO with your figure 8 nonesense


... the base 350 is on SC2's not PS these days with revised suspension and aero. The delta between it and the R is less than it was in past years. 1LE won't touch it.

The 1le had faster times at both LS and Willow springs then the z28. Look it up. The base GT350 had to go to cup2 so it won’t look so bad against the 1le, but it’s still $20,000 more. I’m sure the guy saving the 20g can put cup2 on their 1le. And your fancy 350r ring time has not one ounce of proof it did it other then 3rd party. So again, nice try.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

Try Willow springs, LS, motortrend fiqure 8. Also, MT H2H with 350r vs z28, the also used the tp350. The 350 was 3 sec slower then the R with same driver same day. So when I see the 1le within 3 sec of R, it beats the gt350. Even on one track, the 1le had same time as R, and that was same driver. And if your going by LL Times, the the R gets beat by a outgoing z28. So you can’t have it both ways.

So now the 1LE is as fast as a 350R, this is getting hilarious.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by newmoon

So now the 1LE is as fast as a 350R, this is getting hilarious.

Show me where I said that!

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by hotlap

No problem. Make the GT500 a drivers race with the the Redeye and eek out a road course win against the underpowered ZLE? Reasonable for you?

Edit: BTW. I’m referring to 2017. Pre-wide-body HC. 100% stock (tires too)

Non widebody HC has been reviewed at 11:00s, widebody 10:80s. Best I have seen in a review for the ZL1 is 11:30s. Now I suspect it is much easier to get a good time out of the ZL1, the HC are going to take more practice and skill.

The GT500 should be able to knock off the ZL1 at everything or it is a failure. It should be faster than the 11:00s for the HC or it is a failure.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

So now the 1LE is as fast as a 350R, this is getting hilarious.

Yea you're right, that is hilarious. It's much much faster...the ZL1 1LE will destroy the GT350R

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Non widebody HC has been reviewed at 11:00s, widebody 10:80s. Best I have seen in a review for the ZL1 is 11:30s. Now I suspect it is much easier to get a good time out of the ZL1, the HC are going to take more practice and skill.

The GT500 should be able to knock off the ZL1 at everything or it is a failure. It should be faster than the 11:00s for the HC or it is a failure.

I have not seen any non-WB Hellcat go faster than an 11.7 in the quarter mile. So where are you getting this info?

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Yeah it will be absolutely terrible that Ford can build 1 car that can compete with the best of both GM and Fiats one trick ponies.

What's terrible is that it took them 6 years to do what GM did in 1 year and what Dodge has been doing since 2015. What's terrible is that the GT350 was a fire hazard the likes of which I've never seen. What's terrible is all the engine problems that are prevalent on the S550s. WHat's terrible is that the PP2 overheats. What's terrible is that the entire platform had to be extended for an entire year so Ford could work out the kinks. What is funny is that the GT500 ain't gonna beat the ZLE on a track or the Redeye on the straights no matter how much time Ford put into it. Even funnier is that it will cost a hell of a lot more than the ZLE. What has me laughing at you is that even if it is some super spectacular car that you think it'll be, for all your bragging and big talk, I'll be more likely to have one parked outside than you, lol!! If I get one, you can swing by and look at it.

[ST1LE]

Wow, the trolls are out in force now, as is typical when a new Mustang model is revealed.

That Carbon Track Pack or whatever really looks aggressive. Of course the weight is still unknown, so taking that off the table, I see no reason this option won't be able to beat the ZLE.

It seems like a similar situation from the previous Gen, let's see if the issues from last Gen were corrected and this thing can lap over and over again.

I am expecting really impressive performance from this car, the weight is the real unknown though. If this car is really 4200+ pounds, that will be a real shame. These Mustangs need to go on a diet!

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Sucks when you have to refer to Chevy's best supercharged Camaro as underpowered, but when its not up against an n/a competitor I suppose that's the reality. My prediction is the GT500 outperforms the ZL1 on track and strip and is equal to a Redeye. The ZLE is way too good of a track car for me to believe Ford is focused enough on beating.

We'll know in 8 months LOL...God help us.