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Old 01-12-2015, 07:51 PM   #239
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Nobody cares about a Cadillac having a 2.0 in it! So comparing the ATS to the Camaro isn't a good comparison! I would get a ATS with a 4 cylinder but definitely not a pony/ muscle car!
ATS is basically the closest we can get to the 6th gen right now so to say it's not a good comparison is stupid.
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Old 01-12-2015, 08:18 PM   #240
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ATS is basically the closest we can get to the 6th gen right now so to say it's not a good comparison is stupid.
Well if it's that size ! Than dang , ford is really going to make Chevy look stupid!
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Old 01-12-2015, 08:19 PM   #241
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Nobody cares about a Cadillac having a 2.0 in it! So comparing the ATS to the Camaro isn't a good comparison! I would get a ATS with a 4 cylinder but definitely not a pony/ muscle car!
It's exactly the right comparison. The question is whether it would be an enjoyable, fun car to drive. The ATS is.

To many get hung up on the number of cylinders. There has already been a 4 cylinder in the Camaro and if not now, there will be down the road. Our elected officials have all but assured us of that with 2016 through 2025 CAFE.
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Old 01-12-2015, 08:21 PM   #242
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ATS is basically the closest we can get to the 6th gen right now so to say it's not a good comparison is stupid.
And I was saying not a good comparison because ppl don't think of a V8 when you think luxury! So therefore most won't care how small of a engine it has!
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Old 01-12-2015, 08:24 PM   #243
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It's exactly the right comparison. The question is whether it would be an enjoyable, fun car to drive. The ATS is.

To many get hung up on the number of cylinders. There has already been a 4 cylinder in the Camaro and if not now, there will be down the road. Our elected officials have all but assured us of that with 2016 through 2025 CAFE.
There has been a 4 cylinder Camaro? And I'm sure any car made these days are fun to drive especially, the ATS! But I understand the need for 4 cylinder cars but dang a Camaro? I guess it's like the impalas the 96 was the last great one! Now it's just nothing to get happy about! But it makes GM money so I guess!

Luxury car vs. Muscle !
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Old 01-12-2015, 10:46 PM   #244
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The 2.0L Turbo is putting out pretty similar performance as the v6 but it is lighter and gets better gas mileage. Im not sure people driving the v6 would mind the difference too much.
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Old 01-13-2015, 01:33 AM   #245
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LOL, if you understood the engineering challenges brought about by CAFE you would realize that protecting V8s in Those Pony Cars and Pickups you would know this is a HUGE win. If you want the V8 you may have to accept that your 'Merican Muscle car might have a Turbo 4 little brother. No different than a 6 and in in NO way degrades the image of the 8 cylinder crowd.
Does the chief engineer for Camaro understand engineering challenges? He says no 4 cylinders. I rate his opinion higher than most of the posters on this forum.

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/11/...four-cylinder/

Bonus question: Is Al Oppenheiser also one of those obnoxious "V8 only" guys who refuses to get with the times due to obstinacy? Or does the chief engineer for Camaro have valid reasons for wanting to keep the cylinder count high?
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Old 01-13-2015, 03:57 AM   #246
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Lol... I consider a Camaro a pony/ muscle! And a V6 is part of the Pony/ muscle car history not a 4 cylinder! Sorry! It was a straight 6 but still a 6 ! Not a 4 but hey , I'm not giving up my Gen 5 either way! But hey , I understand and there's nothing wrong! As long as it's a Camaro since where you live messes that up! And FYI I had a 2013 V6
Ok. I understand.

I agree the 4 banger with or without turbo wont do it justice as a muscle car.
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Old 01-13-2015, 06:28 AM   #247
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There has been a 4 cylinder Camaro? And I'm sure any car made these days are fun to drive especially, the ATS! But I understand the need for 4 cylinder cars but dang a Camaro? I guess it's like the impalas the 96 was the last great one! Now it's just nothing to get happy about! But it makes GM money so I guess!

Luxury car vs. Muscle !
Yep, there was. A pretty crappy one mind you.

http://www.thirdgen.org/1982-chevy-camaro/

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Does the chief engineer for Camaro understand engineering challenges? He says no 4 cylinders. I rate his opinion higher than most of the posters on this forum.

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/11/...four-cylinder/

Bonus question: Is Al Oppenheiser also one of those obnoxious "V8 only" guys who refuses to get with the times due to obstinacy? Or does the chief engineer for Camaro have valid reasons for wanting to keep the cylinder count high?
Al never said "there WILL NOT be a 4 cylinder". He talked around it suggesting if it were up to him there wouldn't be. Just so you know.....it's not up to him. His job is to engineer the car that the company tells him to. Although influential, the Chief Engineer doesn't get to just freely determine what is in or out for content. There is an equally high level marketing person that will tell him what needs to be in the car based on the customer, and another equally high person that will tell him if a V6/V8 only lineup meets the objectives for compliance to federal requirements.

If he is quoted as telling anyone what the specific content will or won't be fine. I never saw it. I saw him quoted as saying he didn't want to see a 4 cylinder in the Camaro.

So if there is a quote from him that says, "there is no 4 cylinder in the Gen 6" awesome. What I believe he said was, "I really don't think there should be a 4 cylinder in the Camaro". Two completely different statements.
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Old 01-13-2015, 07:32 AM   #248
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Don't see the issue as 4 bangers are here to stay.. I've owned both 8 and 6.. Let it go let it go.. Hahaha
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Old 01-13-2015, 08:42 AM   #249
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Al never said "there WILL NOT be a 4 cylinder". He talked around it suggesting if it were up to him there wouldn't be. Just so you know.....it's not up to him. His job is to engineer the car that the company tells him to. Although influential, the Chief Engineer doesn't get to just freely determine what is in or out for content. There is an equally high level marketing person that will tell him what needs to be in the car based on the customer, and another equally high person that will tell him if a V6/V8 only lineup meets the objectives for compliance to federal requirements.

If he is quoted as telling anyone what the specific content will or won't be fine. I never saw it. I saw him quoted as saying he didn't want to see a 4 cylinder in the Camaro.

So if there is a quote from him that says, "there is no 4 cylinder in the Gen 6" awesome. What I believe he said was, "I really don't think there should be a 4 cylinder in the Camaro". Two completely different statements.
He said there wouldn't be a 4 cylinder.

More important to the point, the guy who engineers Camaros doesn't believe in a 4 cylinder Camaro. Wake up.
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Old 01-13-2015, 10:40 AM   #250
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I went back and re-read the original post. According to that info, it is true that there was no definitive statement, just that the engineer wasn't planning a 4 cylinder. But that was well over a year ago. Also read where he said if the Camaro is no longer a Camaro it could be taken out. This line had about as much definitive context as the no four cylinder statement.

I see it this way, this car is very popular for many different reasons, and not just because it's a "muscle" car. Not everybody buys them because they're fast and loud. I'm not sure what the exact figures are over the run of the 5th Gen, but I would hazard a guess that V6 sales are at least 2-1 over V8 sales. Heck, I live in Texas and the ratio of what I see on the road is at least that.

The Camaro is an important car for GM. It fills a space in the line up that they really need to protect. They sell a lot of them, and this means that it will need to be offered in a package that will meet the CAFE criteria. So I don't care if they make some of them with a 4 cyl. As long as they continue to make the performance versions for the enthusiast.
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Old 01-13-2015, 12:10 PM   #251
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Holy crap...so many ridiculous responses and replies.

I can't take you guys seriously...

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Well if it's that size ! Than dang , ford is really going to make Chevy look stupid!
Size? You know the ATS has a longer wheelbase than the Mustang? The size is just fine.

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And I was saying not a good comparison because ppl don't think of a V8 when you think luxury! So therefore most won't care how small of a engine it has!
So you think there are no known luxury cars with V8 or even larger engines?

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There has been a 4 cylinder Camaro? And I'm sure any car made these days are fun to drive especially, the ATS! But I understand the need for 4 cylinder cars but dang a Camaro? I guess it's like the impalas the 96 was the last great one! Now it's just nothing to get happy about! But it makes GM money so I guess!

Luxury car vs. Muscle !
The current Impala is a fantastic car, and does perfectly what it is supposed to do...be a good large family sedan. You think the 96 was so great....b/c it had a V8?? So now, b/c it doesn't have a V8, its just OK you guess. But if suddenly it had a V8 I bet you'd love it right?

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He said there wouldn't be a 4 cylinder.

More important to the point, the guy who engineers Camaros doesn't believe in a 4 cylinder Camaro. Wake up.
Please....stop implying and then acting like it is fact. There may or may not be a 4 cylinder Camaro, but you can't make any definitive assumptions based on what he said.

Why *some* of the V8 owners have their undies so pent up in a wad over this....I don't understand it. BUY THE DAMN V8 AND FORGET IT.
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Old 01-13-2015, 01:34 PM   #252
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I truely only have two things to say.
1. Auto manufactures are being forced into these changes by the federal government because of the dependancy on oil and the changing enviroment.
2. If there will no longer be a v8 camaro, I personally will never own another camaro, period. We all have choices.
3. goodbye Nascar.
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