Camaro didn’t make Car & Driver’s 2019 10Best List - Page 3

Martinjlm · 12-03-2018, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by xray

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...est-cars-2019/

After 3 years on the 10Best, the Camaro has been replaced by Mustang because:

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[its] transcendent chassis failed to prop up its awful outward visibility, practicality, and looks in the face of withering 10Best competition

Thoughts?

Competition got better, so something had to drop off the list. For them, it was the one that had visibility issues and the least practical trunk space. And they think GT looks better. Not a lot of mystery here.

hotlap · 12-03-2018, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Competition got better, so something had to drop off the list. For them, it was the one that had visibility issues and the least practical trunk space. And they think GT looks better. Not a lot of mystery here.

It probably would have been uncomfortable for them to give it to the Camaro for a fourth consecutive year.

In seriousness. Ford put a lot into the Mustang to catch up. That deserved acknowledgment even if the result isn't completely sorted out yet.

Chevy fixed it's biggest Camaro weakness with the A10. Shudder solved...going forward. Viability, etc can't be changed until the next gen. Nothing really new for the press.

Bhobbs · 12-03-2018, 02:27 PM

GM ignored the visibility complaints from the 5th gen. Let’s hope they don’t repeat that with the 7th.

TRZ06 · 12-03-2018, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluecyclone

I bought my 16 GT for $30,000 OTD, after BMR suspension upgrades it handles as good as a Camaro. Lowering the pony helped again, now I need struts & shock's for the spring change.

While that may be true, I prefer to have to mess with suspension stuff as little as possible. For every aftermarket change has the potential to introduce clucks, rattles, squeaks, problems, etc.

I would rather have a suspension set-up done right from the factory then take the chance of introducing unwanted aftereffects from going aftermarket.

joe944 · 12-03-2018, 02:58 PM

I don't really see the problem. Those kinds of lists usually address cars that are new or have had major changes.

The camaro was on it for 3 years, which already says a lot. I doubt it will be influencing anyone's decision on which car they want to buy.

camaroJD · 12-03-2018, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

I bought my 18 after seeing the 19 ha.

But, the 19 SS 1LE in Satin Steel actually looks really good in person. If I had to buy a 19, I think that'd be it.

Every other color I've seen so far in person I have not liked.

Infotainment 3 is MUCH better especially when controlling playback in PDR.

Yes it does, I saw mine in person for the first time last week. It looks beautiful.

Airfuel · 12-03-2018, 03:49 PM

I don’t care.
Ugly car for your pleasure.

cbr1100xx · 12-03-2018, 03:59 PM

I've now driven the '18 GT 3 or 4 times and the '18 SS the same. The GT is more "liveable" I guess and the visibility is better. But the Camaro IMO is EASILY the better car if you have performance in mind. And the GT seats are inferior the Camaro IMO and don't even offer power recline.

But I wouldn't get bent out of shape that C/D omitted from the 10 best list.

mdhopt36 · 12-03-2018, 04:03 PM

I've driven my cars 15~ months or so, and the more I get used to the backup camera, the better the car actually is; and is a non-issue. Been this way, so perhaps if the new stuff is really actually better, yeah I can see it being dropped.
But for ol' fahrts who can't turn around and have stiff-neck syndrome, the "new&improved" stuff just ain't any better, sometimes worse.
Wanna example?? My wife refuses to use the screen for backup, and she looks like she got her license at BIGLOTS!!! (drives a doggone Caddy SUV)

Rock-It Man · 12-03-2018, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Airfuel

I don’t care.
Ugly car for your pleasure.

That is a beautiful car. The 2019 front looks fine as long as the body color is dark so the snowplow grille doesn't stand out.

hotlap · 12-03-2018, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Airfuel

I don’t care.
Ugly car for your pleasure.

Your car is gorgeous.

Dave-ROR · 12-03-2018, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Airfuel

I don’t care.
Ugly car for your pleasure.

I have seen that in person. All the matters is that you enjoy your car!

Chevmaro · 12-03-2018, 05:43 PM

This is the same magazine that noted in their "Lightning Lap" issue that the PP2 Mustang GT had its differential overheat after about 2 laps but would not refer to this in the actual PP2 road test. Not "track ready". Mustang does not offer this nor does it offer competition for the ZL1 or ZL1 1LE or any 1LE.

z28pat · 12-03-2018, 08:24 PM

Go knew about the visibility issues and decided to keep the tiny windows, can’t even rest your arm on it and huge b pillar. This car is not for everyone and that’s why some of us like them and some don’t .

12-03-2018, 02:27 PM	#31
Bhobbs Drives: 2015 SS 1LE Red Hot, 1970 Chevelle Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Chino, CA Posts: 6,989	GM ignored the visibility complaints from the 5th gen. Let’s hope they don’t repeat that with the 7th. __________________

12-03-2018, 03:49 PM	#35
Airfuel Drives: '19 2SS M6. Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: CT Posts: 340	I don’t care. Ugly car for your pleasure. Attached Images __________________ 2019 2SS, Shadow gray, 6mt, NPP, Magneride, Bose.

12-03-2018, 05:43 PM	#41
Chevmaro Drives: 2019 SS 1LE Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Florence, SC Posts: 74	This is the same magazine that noted in their "Lightning Lap" issue that the PP2 Mustang GT had its differential overheat after about 2 laps but would not refer to this in the actual PP2 road test. Not "track ready". Mustang does not offer this nor does it offer competition for the ZL1 or ZL1 1LE or any 1LE. Last edited by Chevmaro; 12-03-2018 at 11:21 PM. Reason: spelling error

12-03-2018, 02:58 PM	#33
joe944 Drives: 18' A10 ZL1 , 18' F150, 04' MSM Join Date: May 2018 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 178	I don't really see the problem. Those kinds of lists usually address cars that are new or have had major changes. The camaro was on it for 3 years, which already says a lot. I doubt it will be influencing anyone's decision on which car they want to buy.

12-03-2018, 03:59 PM	#36
cbr1100xx Account Suspended Drives: '14 Jetta 1.8, '19 1SS Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 886	I've now driven the '18 GT 3 or 4 times and the '18 SS the same. The GT is more "liveable" I guess and the visibility is better. But the Camaro IMO is EASILY the better car if you have performance in mind. And the GT seats are inferior the Camaro IMO and don't even offer power recline. But I wouldn't get bent out of shape that C/D omitted from the 10 best list.

12-03-2018, 04:03 PM	#37
mdhopt36 Drives: '17- 1ag37 V6 traded, for 1SS 2018! Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: MA Posts: 469	I've driven my cars 15~ months or so, and the more I get used to the backup camera, the better the car actually is; and is a non-issue. Been this way, so perhaps if the new stuff is really actually better, yeah I can see it being dropped. But for ol' fahrts who can't turn around and have stiff-neck syndrome, the "new&improved" stuff just ain't any better, sometimes worse. Wanna example?? My wife refuses to use the screen for backup, and she looks like she got her license at BIGLOTS!!! (drives a doggone Caddy SUV)

12-03-2018, 08:24 PM	#42
z28pat Drives: 2002 z28, 2018 2ss 1LE Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Parrish, Florida Posts: 836	Go knew about the visibility issues and decided to keep the tiny windows, can’t even rest your arm on it and huge b pillar. This car is not for everyone and that’s why some of us like them and some don’t .

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