[neo85]

Originally Posted by Evergreen6

Based on reading recent articles, a used vehicle can be enrolled and will still be enrolled when a new owner buys it. If there have ever been connected services on the car, it may be enrolled.

If you are concerned, it sounds worth checking on. Maybe contact GM to ask about your vehicles.

WTF i bought my camaro used from a non-chevy dealer and never signed up for onstar - do I need to worry about this too?? Did you purchase your car from a Chevy or other GM dealer?

[radz28]

This just confirms OnStar is not there in the interest of the consumer, but in the interest of GM. By selling information on US, they make more money. It pisses me off they try to sell OnStar as some benefit to us, while taking money behind our backs, essentially. I support that last assertion with the statement that my salesman nor dealership (I bought, new, from a GM dealer) ever expressed any of these kinds of details.

The only thing I'll miss be pulling the module is the remote start.

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by radz28

This just confirms OnStar is not there in the interest of the consumer, but in the interest of GM. By selling information on US, they make more money. It pisses me off they try to sell OnStar as some benefit to us, while taking money behind our backs, essentially. I support that last assertion with the statement that my salesman nor dealership (I bought, new, from a GM dealer) ever expressed any of these kinds of details.

The only thing I'll miss be pulling the module is the remote start.

Very well said.

I think you can still do the remote start from your remote…although I have no idea as I haven’t used remote start in about 5 years.

[LT1Zob]

Originally Posted by Buellrider

That’s why I pulled the BS onstar board within a couple of weeks of buying my car. They can’t report and sell what they don’t have.

Info on pulling this bullshit board out? It's a bitch on my 19 Z06. Hope the camaro is easier

[neo85]

Are there any detailed instructions online on how I can pull the module I have a 17 2SS?

[Evergreen6]

Originally Posted by radz28

This just confirms OnStar is not there in the interest of the consumer, but in the interest of GM. By selling information on US, they make more money. It pisses me off they try to sell OnStar as some benefit to us, while taking money behind our backs, essentially. I support that last assertion with the statement that my salesman nor dealership (I bought, new, from a GM dealer) ever expressed any of these kinds of details.

The only thing I'll miss be pulling the module is the remote start.

An article I read said that GM makes "in the low millions" selling this data about its customers to 3rd parties.

In the grand scheme of a company that makes Billions in profit on an annual basis, a few million bucks is literally pennies in their bucket, something they could have just as easily said, nah, this has the real ability to blow up in our faces, let's not do it.

Sure hope it was worth it. "You consented three times" doesn't go very far with a public who doesn't read fine print, nor should have to, in this case.

[Number 3]

I’ll remind everyone again. This isn’t just GM and OnStar. Every company that sells a connected vehicle does this. I’m going through it and reading the fine print on my VW. Even if you don’t sign up for driver monitoring, VW clearly states they will sell your contact information and the list is pretty wide open on who they sell it to,

So yes, this sis a Camaro/GM fan site, but stop acting like it is only GM.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. Our data is king and highly valuable. It’s why Facebook and Google are HUGELY profitable without actually selling anything. You need to watch the movie “The Social Dilema”. WE are the product and by we it is our data.

[Buellrider]

Originally Posted by LT1Zob

Info on pulling this bullshit board out? It's a bitch on my 19 Z06. Hope the camaro is easier

Here ya go.

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=467634

[LT1Zob]

Originally Posted by Number 3

I’ll remind everyone again. This isn’t just GM and OnStar. Every company that sells a connected vehicle does this. I’m going through it and reading the fine print on my VW. Even if you don’t sign up for driver monitoring, VW clearly states they will sell your contact information and the list is pretty wide open on who they sell it to,

So yes, this sis a Camaro/GM fan site, but stop acting like it is only GM.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. Our data is king and highly valuable. It’s why Facebook and Google are HUGELY profitable without actually selling anything. You need to watch the movie “The Social Dilema”. WE are the product and by we it is our data.

We are the product

[LT1Zob]

Originally Posted by Buellrider

Here ya go.

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=467634

Thank you much

[Evergreen6]

Originally Posted by Number 3

I’ll remind everyone again. This isn’t just GM and OnStar. Every company that sells a connected vehicle does this. I’m going through it and reading the fine print on my VW. Even if you don’t sign up for driver monitoring, VW clearly states they will sell your contact information and the list is pretty wide open on who they sell it to,

So yes, this sis a Camaro/GM fan site, but stop acting like it is only GM.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. Our data is king and highly valuable. It’s why Facebook and Google are HUGELY profitable without actually selling anything. You need to watch the movie “The Social Dilema”. WE are the product and by we it is our data.

There's data sharing that has financial impact, and data sharing that doesn't.

I don't really care if I get junk mail or solicitations for products or services based on the fact I fit a certain demographic or products I own or buy. I don't care that my ISP or my search engine knows what internet sites I visit. Or that my bank knows where and how much money I spend. Or that an app on my phone tracks my location. That's all very boring data for the most part.

When data sharing has potential financial impact as in the case of a telematics device recording driving habits and directly or indirectly sharing that recording with my insurance company, with whom they are not related, is an issue.

If I truly wasn't able to opt out, then I likely wouldn't have purchased the car. That gets into real murky legal territory. I want GM's assurance that because I have opted out, I will remain opted out, and opting in will require explicit and conscious consent. Not an app refresh, "surprise! You're in again!" or "the last guy opted in, and you bought his car, so you're opted in too!". Consent seems to be the central issue with GM, which is why this is very quickly becoming a much bigger issue. Dealers enrolled their customers without their knowledge, or the "car" is considered enrolled, and a new buyer may or may not know the car is being recorded, etc.

[dpevans]

I checked my account and it was not turned on. Insurance has gone up 35% over the last 3 years but that's due to inflation pressure not because they bought your data that showed you speeding. I am shocked that insurance companies have not required OBD port data tracking just to insure you. If you check your account and it's turned off just cancel it.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Evergreen6

There's data sharing that has financial impact, and data sharing that doesn't.

I don't really care if I get junk mail or solicitations for products or services based on the fact I fit a certain demographic or products I own or buy. I don't care that my ISP or my search engine knows what internet sites I visit. Or that my bank knows where and how much money I spend. Or that an app on my phone tracks my location. That's all very boring data for the most part.

When data sharing has potential financial impact as in the case of a telematics device recording driving habits and directly or indirectly sharing that recording with my insurance company, with whom they are not related, is an issue.

If I truly wasn't able to opt out, then I likely wouldn't have purchased the car. That gets into real murky legal territory. I want GM's assurance that because I have opted out, I will remain opted out, and opting in will require explicit and conscious consent. Not an app refresh, "surprise! You're in again!" or "the last guy opted in, and you bought his car, so you're opted in too!". Consent seems to be the central issue with GM, which is why this is very quickly becoming a much bigger issue. Dealers enrolled their customers without their knowledge, or the "car" is considered enrolled, and a new buyer may or may not know the car is being recorded, etc.

Trying to make the point, it isn’t just GM. VW has the same service and the same “we provide it to insurance carriers in order to get you better pricing” schtick.

The only issue is as you point out, is the transparency

[Kamero6]

What about company cars? Who pays the bill?