[bigd1276]

Originally Posted by Number 3

If your burger runs you $30 you would find a lot of people switching or for sure eating a lot less meat. Same with gas.

Tax gas at $10 per gallon and tax on engine displacement like they do in other parts of the world and you would see a big change. That and parking is why you have such wonderful small cars in Europe.

So agree you can't MAKE people do it, but you can make it a much harder choice.

Number 3 I’ve followed your remarks for years but now you’re scaring me. Surely you don’t want to travel down the path you’re suggesting, or do you?

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by Camaro fanboy

even celabut aswell nowadays

Knowing Suzanne Summers still has sex at 74 with her 84 year old husband, I'm encouraged there's still 40 years of fun to look forward to for me!

[396ssrat]

This thread reminds me that I had the good fortune of growing up in a country that was once free. Looking back brings fond memories but I cannot say the same for looking forward. Why is the US government on board with selling freedom to the world's wealthiest fanatics while removing it from our own American citizens?

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Xaxas

You say that but standalone ECUs is what made aftermarket motorsports cars to where they are, complete control over everything is what has allowed ICEs to be as good as they are, but there is a balance to it, and the problem itself is not the computers themselves but the stuff/amount they control, surround camera not working? That's going to be one hell of a diagnosis because there's 12 of those freaking things and only the dealership can fix that, car being able to self drive? Well now they've gotta lock it real hard because if it's hacked then you can lose control of your car, so bye bye tuning (also this has already been tried AND proven!).



So yeah, ECUs + mixed injection is what got us here, I see a carburetor and mentally puke, they're cool in a retro/oldschool way but besides mechanical simplicity and price, there's only disadvantages to that; computers should be used to AID not REPLACE.

Very well said.

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

This thread reminds me that I had the good fortune of growing up in a country that was once free. Looking back brings fond memories but I cannot say the same for looking forward. Why is the US government on board with selling freedom to the world's wealthiest fanatics while removing it from our own American citizens?

I’ve been asking that for about 20 years

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by bigd1276

Number 3 I’ve followed your remarks for years but now you’re scaring me. Surely you don’t want to travel down the path you’re suggesting, or do you?

OMG, no!. He had just suggested that you couldn't convert a meat eater to being vegan. My only point was in some if not many cases, you could.

No need to fear.......from me anyway.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

I’ve been asking that for about 20 years

Sadly, all you need to do is look around on this site... I lived under the top left quadrant of the Tytler cycle and never again want to, but many more people are okay with that than ever before. Now if a muscle car forum has this many of them, imagine the rest of the venues where people interact.

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by Xaxas

You say that but standalone ECUs is what made aftermarket motorsports cars to where they are, complete control over everything is what has allowed ICEs to be as good as they are, but there is a balance to it, and the problem itself is not the computers themselves but the stuff/amount they control, surround camera not working? That's going to be one hell of a diagnosis because there's 12 of those freaking things and only the dealership can fix that, car being able to self drive? Well now they've gotta lock it real hard because if it's hacked then you can lose control of your car, so bye bye tuning (also this has already been tried AND proven!).

So yeah, ECUs + mixed injection is what got us here, I see a carburetor and mentally puke, they're cool in a retro/oldschool way but besides mechanical simplicity and price, there's only disadvantages to that; computers should be used to AID not REPLACE.

Carburetors rule. Old school or not, they rule. They make medications mental for illness.

[Jsreo]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

Nope, no tin foil hats here. Only MAGA hats in my collection

Just speakin the truth.

Wait, aren’t they basically the same thing?

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Number 3

OMG, no!. He had just suggested that you couldn't convert a meat eater to being vegan. My only point was in some if not many cases, you could.



No need to fear.......from me anyway.

Yeah, just like you could reduce population by just murdering them, durp.

Ethics and human rights are for p*ssies.

A fancier way to say this is the old "just because you could, should you?"

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by Jsreo

Wait, aren’t they basically the same thing?

They'd be worn with honor if that were the case.

[Jsreo]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

They'd be worn with honor if that were the case.

Well snowflake, your guy lost a legally contested election by a landslide. Suck it up buttercup and move on......

[Red Chief]

An electric sports car with good styling and presentation will sell. Maybe not to *this* crowd but there's plenty of other fish in the sea.

I mean presumably you would be able to customize your exhaust note to anything you want right? I'd go with the KITT sound.

I also don't understand why EV cells can't be subdivided like partitions in a hard drive. Why do you have to recharge the whole battery at once? Why can't you just swap one or two cells at a time for fresh ones?

[raptor5244]

I will reserve judgement on an EV Camaro until I can drive one. The torque is what will put the smile on your face but they will have to tune the stability control and traction control just right to make the car playful. That is one of the things I don't like about the Telsa Model 3 performance. It is actually too planted, which is great one one hand but boring on the other. I think they are afraid with all that instant torque the typical driver would be wrapping the car around a tree. The Performance Model has a cool track mode but it is all done in software with open diffs on both the front and rear motors. They do a great job at making it feel natural though.

I really hope GM finds a way to make an EV sports car fun to drive.