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Old 01-03-2022, 12:17 PM   #1
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New lifters now or later

Hi Everyone! In 2021 I decided to take my street car to the next level as far as power. I just finished with my clutch upgrade and installing a new rear crank housing, pilot bearing, oil cooler assembly, throwing bearing, slave cylinder, clutch line, separate clutch/brake reservoirs, etc.


Before doing all of that, and after I installed my Supercharger earlier in 2021, I started to hear a ticking sound. I'm still not sure if it is due to the supercharger or if it is a lifter. The sound does get faster as I accelerate.


When doing my supercharger and cam install, I replaced EVERYTHING as far as bolts, gaskets, pumps, chains, etc. The only thing I didn't do was take out the heads and change out the lifters and lifter cartridges.


With that said, should I just bite the bullet, uninstall everything and replace the lifters and cartridges? Or should I just wait on that?



I plan to run the GM Performance "Caddy" lifters.


Just looking for opinions and ideas so that I can plan accordingly.



My car was down for 3 months due to scheduling and parts, so I'm currently breaking in my new Monster 3 disc clutch.


Also, I do all of the installs/work myself, so it takes longer, but I'm learning.



Here is my current build:
ENGINE:
Magnuson Heartbeat Supercharger
Magnuson 87mm Pulley
Gates RPM Micro-V Belt (K061045)
ZR1 3 BAR MAP Sensor
Roto-Fab CAI Heartbeat Kit w/Dry Filter
Soler Performance Ported Throttle Body 95mm
Kooks LT Headers 1 7/8” w/ High Flow Cats and Ceramic Coating (silver)
ARP Header Bolts (434-1202)
Comp Cam Camshaft (54-000-11)
· 13018R/13022R HR 116 + 4
· 231/247 Duration @ .050
· .617/.624 Valve Lift
· 116 + 4 LSA
Comp Cam Spring Kit (26926TS-KIT)
Comp Cam Pushrods (7956-16)
Comp Cam Trunion Kit (13702TL-KIT)
Katech C5-R Timing Chain (HME-G68V-2)
Melling Oil Pump (MEL-10296)
2012 GM Heater Hoses Re-Location (22962570)
Mighty Mouse Catch Can Camaro 5 Wild (Holley Oil Cap Adapter)
Holley LS Tall Valve Covers – Red (241-404)
GM LS2 Chain Damper (12588670)
SacCityCorvette Billet Front Oil Galley Plug
SacCityCorvette Billet Rear Oil Galley Barbell Plug

FUEL AND IGNITION SYSTEM:
ZL1 Fuel Pump (19303293)
ADM FPCM for ZL1 Fuel Pump
FIC 1000cc Fuel Injectors
DSX Flex Fuel Kit (E85)
DSX Auxiliary Fuel Pump (114kpz / ~2psi)
Allstar Performance Fuel Pump Access Panel
ZR1 Spark Plugs (12571165)
MSD 8.5mm Super Conductor Wires
CBM Coil Relocation Kit (CBM-11011-LS-KIT)
Red Wire Socks

TRANSMISSION / DRIVETRAIN:
Monster S Series Triple Disc Clutch (S3-9520-GEN5)
Monster Remote Speed Bleeder
Monster Billet Release Bearing Support for Slave Cylinder
Tick Performance Steal Braided Clutch Line (TP5GBL)
GM 2004 GTO Clutch Fluid Reservoir (92065790)
Driveshaft Shop 3.5” Aluminum 1 Piece (GMCA10-A)
Metco Motorsports Driveshaft Safety Loop (MDL3100)
-bracket extension

BRAKES:
Goodridge G-Stop Braided Brake Lines (12219)
FLUIDS:
Mobile 1 Oil
Redline D4 ATF Transmission Fluid
Motul RBF 600 Brake Fluid (Dot 4)

GAUGES:
AEM AFR X Series (30-0300)
AEM Boost X Series (30-0306)
AeroForce Dual Gauge Pod



PARTS REPLACED AS OF 2021:
GM Cam Gear (12586481)
GM Crank Bolt (12557840)
GM Cam Bolts x3 (12556127)
GM Front Timing Cover Housing (12633906)
GM Water Pump (19207665)
GM Balancer Bolt Install (11570163)
GM Rear Main Crank Seal Housing (12639250)
GM Pilot Bearing (12557583)
GM Slave Cylinder (19421324)
GM Slave Cylinder Hose Line (24256594)
GM Oil Cooler Assembly (12606576)
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Old 01-03-2022, 12:20 PM   #2
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I forgot to mention that my car currently has 146,000 miles on the stock bottom end and lifters.



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Old 01-03-2022, 01:17 PM   #3
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Looks like a well thought out build.
Go ahead and start savings for a forged bottom end and a better fuel pump system.
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Old 01-03-2022, 03:22 PM   #4
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Here is a video of the ticking sound. It sounds like it’s coming from the supercharger cover rather than the lifters. Opinions!

https://youtu.be/sAuvd7JF_Nc

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Old 01-03-2022, 07:00 PM   #5
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How many miles on the cam swap?
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Old 01-04-2022, 01:03 AM   #6
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How many miles on the cam swap?

About 1,000 to 2,000 miles on the Cam and Supercharger.


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7.450 length pushrods are fairly long for a cam swap with production cylinder heads. Is that what you came up with when you measured?
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You could use a mechanic's stethoscope to better determine where the sound is coming from.


I would definitely suggest removing the heads so you can replace the head gaskets. Then reinstall with head studs. Or at least some ARP head bolts. New lifter trays are a must.


Agree with what Bo mentioned regarding pushrods. It really is important to measure for the correct length. Lifter preload is critical and it's determined by PR length.


Also what do you mean by "new rear crank housing"? Rear cover maybe?
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7.450 length pushrods are fairly long for a cam swap with production cylinder heads. Is that what you came up with when you measured?
Bo, this was a length that Steve from RDP told me to get with this cam. He said that he did that math and that that length is what was needed. I asked about measuring but he said there was no need to do so since he knew exactly what size to use with that size cam. So, unfortunately, I never measured.

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You could use a mechanic's stethoscope to better determine where the sound is coming from.


I would definitely suggest removing the heads so you can replace the head gaskets. Then reinstall with head studs. Or at least some ARP head bolts. New lifter trays are a must.


Agree with what Bo mentioned regarding pushrods. It really is important to measure for the correct length. Lifter preload is critical and it's determined by PR length.


Also what do you mean by "new rear crank housing"? Rear cover maybe?
Yes, I meant rear cover, my bad. I changed out the gasket and the rear main seal.

Update:
I sent the video to Magnuson and they said the sound is normal and not to worry. “That is the harmonics of the engine causing the rotors to load and unload. That is normal operation.”

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Ok good deal
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