[hotlap]

State of Wisconsin reports the following
5,220,000 population
678,240 cases (~13%)

https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/covid-19/cases.htm

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by Aragorn

All Anchorage ICU beds full as Alaska COVID hospitalizations keep rising

https://www.ktoo.org/2021/09/14/all-...s-keep-rising/

https://www.anchoragepress.com/bulle...king%20system.

Again, officials/media playing the numbers game...

Anyone with google can find this stuff. Why do people insist on believing the first thing they read?

"Trust, but verify". - Ronald Reagan

[s346k]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

https://www.anchoragepress.com/bulle...king%20system.

Again, officials/media playing the numbers game...

Anyone with google can find this stuff. Why do people insist on believing the first thing they read?

"Trust, but verify". - Ronald Reagan

the article you posted is over a year old...?

[hotlap]

This is what the State of Alaska is reporting. Two (2) on September 12

https://experience.arcgis.com/experi...6495a8950493d/

[G8One2]

[FarmerFran]

Ok, either side of the debate, does anyone really think this is like the "standard" FLU?

Serious question.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by G8One2

You see I do not mind a debate, or a really heated discussion - but this kind of propaganda has got to stop, ON BOTH SIDES!

[KenKat]

Originally Posted by G8One2

Nobody took my freedom, I was happy to be able to get a vaccine. I like my odds a lot better with it than without it. Nobody lied to me, I can read as many sources as I want and make my own choice. Are you sure someone hasn’t lied to you?

For the record, I am pro-vaccine but feel people can make their own choice, so if you don’t want to get a vaccine, fine by me, I’m probably not the one getting really sick. Just be sure you are doing it for a well informed reason and not because someone told you not to, just like you are saying someone told me to.

[KenKat]

Originally Posted by hotlap

State of Wisconsin reports the following
5,220,000 population
678,240 cases (~13%)

https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/covid-19/cases.htm

Just take a look at your numbers in a different way. I will use my age group and a younger age group:

50-59
- chance of death, 1 in 200
- chance of hospitalization, 1 in 20

I don’t feel great about those numbers really. A vaccine made sense for me.

20-29
- chance of death, 1 in 5000
- chance of hospitalization, 1 in 50

These numbers, maybe you don’t need to worry but even 1 in 50, I don’t know. Taken across a lot of people, small percentages can really add up. But, you know, if you are 20-29, I can see waiting to get a vaccine, one of my sons did and it was ultimately his choice. He’s gone ahead now that it was officially approved by the FDA (pfizer).

[bigd1276]

Originally Posted by KenKat

Just take a look at your numbers in a different way. I will use my age group and a younger age group:

50-59
- chance of death, 1 in 200
- chance of hospitalization, 1 in 20

I don’t feel great about those numbers really. A vaccine made sense for me.

20-29
- chance of death, 1 in 5000
- chance of hospitalization, 1 in 50

These numbers, maybe you don’t need to worry but even 1 in 50, I don’t know. Taken across a lot of people, small percentages can really add up. But, you know, if you are 20-29, I can see waiting to get a vaccine, one of my sons did and it was ultimately his choice. He’s gone ahead now that it was officially approved by the FDA (pfizer).

it was ultimately his choice.

[KenKat]

Originally Posted by bigd1276

it was ultimately his choice.

Yeah, like I said earlier, I got it because I chose to. I don’t believe it should be mandated by the government.

[bigd1276]

Originally Posted by KenKat

Yeah, like I said earlier, I got it because I chose to. I don’t believe it should be mandated by the government.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by KenKat

Just take a look at your numbers in a different way. I will use my age group and a younger age group:

50-59
- chance of death, 1 in 200
- chance of hospitalization, 1 in 20

I don’t feel great about those numbers really. A vaccine made sense for me.

20-29
- chance of death, 1 in 5000
- chance of hospitalization, 1 in 50

These numbers, maybe you don’t need to worry but even 1 in 50, I don’t know. Taken across a lot of people, small percentages can really add up. But, you know, if you are 20-29, I can see waiting to get a vaccine, one of my sons did and it was ultimately his choice. He’s gone ahead now that it was officially approved by the FDA (pfizer).

The odds you post are if you are a documented case. The total population of people ages 50-59 is ~600,000. Your chances of dying from COVID are 476/600,000 = 0.08%. Weight and physical condition strongly affect your chances so even that estimate is high.

I'm in the 50-59 range also. I am vaccinated and encourage others to be. If I were below 40, or planned to have children, I might view it differently. Based on the science (data).

If "we" were "following the science", "we" would focus on the elderly, obese, diabetic, etc. Not forcing vaccination on young people.

COVID isn't going away. We need to be freed from the narrative so we can get on with our lives

https://www.infoplease.com/us/census...hic-statistics

[StingrayblueSS]

Originally Posted by hotlap

https://news.yahoo.com/conservative-...184420178.html
https://youtu.be/rY0WxgSXdEE