[Orange ss]

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[KenKat]

Originally Posted by bigd1276

Vaccines, abortion, sterilization, or any government mandated medical procedure will fall under that mantra.
My body my choice.
It’s really that simple.

At least you are being consistent.

Both sides want to use the mantra, but only when it fits their agenda.

[pyroguy]

Originally Posted by StingrayblueSS

Pregnancy/abortion isn't killing 1100 people a day

You’re right, abortion isn’t killing 1,100/day. Globally abortion kills approximately 125,000/day.

www.worldometers.info/abortions (These statistics are reported by the WHO.)

There’s also a tab on that page for the COVID statistics that are being referenced by pro-COVID vaccine people here.

[strykerg8gt]

Originally Posted by pyroguy

As much as the flu is the same as COVID. They’re both medical viruses that mutate regularly. The point is that if it’s a woman’s right to choose what to do with her body and what or rather who is inside of it (pregnancy who), then why is it any different that you are forced by the government, employer, or anyone else that you have to put a new drug that has been around in it’s current state for 1.5 years or less? One might even argue, and not to belittle anyone who has experienced the traditional definition, but one could argue that being forced to have something enter your body against your will is a form of rape.

One problem is that some states don't allow women the right to choose what they do with their body. There are no laws on the books regulating what men can and cannot do with their bodies.

As far as the vaccine, the government isn't mandating that everyone get it. Just federal employees. If they don't like that then work in the private sector. If companies have the right to refuse benefits based on religious beliefs, examples include refusing to pay for health benefits that cover contraception, then why can't they require vaccinations for employment?

[strykerg8gt]

Originally Posted by KenKat

At least you are being consistent.

Both sides want to use the mantra, but only when it fits their agenda.

My body my choice is perfectly acceptable. But choices have consequences. No one is forcing anyone to work for a company requiring vaccination. Plenty of jobs out there that will allow you that choice.

[bigd1276]

Originally Posted by strykerg8gt

My body my choice is perfectly acceptable. But choices have consequences. No one is forcing anyone to work for a company requiring vaccination. Plenty of jobs out there that will allow you that choice.

Wow! You kinda have that backwards. The companies aren't requiring vaccinations. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS! That should scare everyone. What will the government force upon us next? As a 40 year veteran of what was proclaimed last year as "Essential business" we were heroes. We survived. We did our jobs. Now we will potentially be terminated because we won't submit to one person's mandate? Personally I'll retire. Problem is there's no one out there ready to take our jobs. You think store's shelves are empty now? Wait and see if this passes Supreme Court constitutionality. Supply chains can't get enough help now to keep up with customer demand. Imagine what happens when/if this goes through. Lot's of early retirement to an industry already struggling to keep up.

[strykerg8gt]

Originally Posted by bigd1276

Wow! You kinda have that backwards. The companies aren't requiring vaccinations. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS! That should scare everyone. What will the government force upon us next? As a 40 year veteran of what was proclaimed last year as "Essential business" we were heroes. We survived. We did our jobs. Now we will potentially be terminated because we won't submit to one person's mandate? Personally I'll retire. Problem is there's no one out there ready to take our jobs. You think store's shelves are empty now? Wait and see if this passes Supreme Court constitutionality. Supply chains can't get enough help now to keep up with customer demand. Imagine what happens when/if this goes through. Lot's of early retirement to an industry already struggling to keep up.

The government is requiring vaccination for federal employees. Government job government rules. They can work elsewhere. I'm a teacher, I'm required to have been tested for tuberculosis and random drug testing to get my job. If I didn't like that I was free to find work elsewhere. You should see some of the rules that apply to teachers.

You do realize that in order to go to public school you have to be vaccinated. You were most likely vaccinated as a child. What's the difference now?

[bigd1276]

Originally Posted by strykerg8gt

The government is requiring vaccination for federal employees. Government job government rules. They can work elsewhere. I'm a teacher, I'm required to have been tested for tuberculosis and random drug testing to get my job. If I didn't like that I was free to find work elsewhere. You should see some of the rules that apply to teachers.

And you knew those rules when you applied. I’m ok with taking a random drug test or a TB test. What I’m not ok with is the federal government forcing a vaccine on me by using my employer of 20+ years as the means to carry out the government’s will. This should scare all of us. My doctor and I make my medical decisions not the federal government. To your point of plenty of jobs out there, you are correct. My hunch is there will be many many more. Don’t be upset when your favorite restaurant closes or your local Walmart has empty shelves. At least you’ll be vaccinated.

[pyroguy]

Originally Posted by strykerg8gt

The government is requiring vaccination for federal employees. Government job government rules. They can work elsewhere. I'm a teacher, I'm required to have been tested for tuberculosis and random drug testing to get my job. If I didn't like that I was free to find work elsewhere. You should see some of the rules that apply to teachers.

You do realize that in order to go to public school you have to be vaccinated. You were most likely vaccinated as a child. What's the difference now?

You need to turn in any news outlet because last night Biden announced that he is going to mandate covid vaccines for everyone any way necessary. He's requiring for all federal employees, all healthcare professionals, and all companies with greater than 100 employees. Not only is this gross federal overreach, it's unconstitutional, and literal dictator behavior by circumventing congress.

[strykerg8gt]

Originally Posted by bigd1276

And you knew those rules when you applied. I’m ok with taking a random drug test or a TB test. What I’m not ok with is the federal government forcing a vaccine on me by using my employer of 20+ years as the means to carry out the government’s will. This should scare all of us. My doctor and I make my medical decisions not the federal government. To your point of plenty of jobs out there, you are correct. My hunch is there will be many many more. Don’t be upset when your favorite restaurant closes or your local Walmart has empty shelves. At least you’ll be vaccinated.

The mandate only requires federal employees, federal contractors, and Healthcare workers whose company receives federal funding to be vaccinated. All other private businesses have the option to provide weekly testing instead of requiring vaccination. Walmart isn't going to require vaccination, but they will have to be tested. That's reasonable for a virus that effects everyone differently and no one knows how until they're infected. If the employer has under 100 employees, the mandate doesn't affect them.

Out of curiosity, are you against weekly testing also? If so why?

[strykerg8gt]

Originally Posted by pyroguy

You need to turn in any news outlet because last night Biden announced that he is going to mandate covid vaccines for everyone any way necessary. He's requiring for all federal employees, all healthcare professionals, and all companies with greater than 100 employees. Not only is this gross federal overreach, it's unconstitutional, and literal dictator behavior by circumventing congress.

Employers with over 100 employees aren't required, they have the option for weekly testing. Are you also against that?

And vaccines are required for children to attend school. Is that also unconstitutional?

[Orange ss]

Rules don't Apply for some Apparently

[bigd1276]

Originally Posted by strykerg8gt

Employers with over 100 employees aren't required, they have the option for weekly testing. Are you also against that?

As my company is a large grocery retailer with 1,000s of employees we would be subject to this mandate. I Would have a few questions.
Who pays for the weekly testing?
Am I paid for the time it takes for these tests?
What else should the government require testing for?
There are plenty other communicable diseases out there.
Should they test for those too?
I just get confused that we worked all of last year during this “pandemic” without a vaccine and were deemed essential and called heroes.
Now we could face termination if we refuse one.
I’m a healthy person who hasn’t missed a day of work in nearly 20 years. I don’t need my employer or the federal government poking and prodding me on a weekly basis.
I am by no means an anti-vaxer. It’s just not what my doctor and I think is right for me.
My body, my choice.

[pyroguy]

Originally Posted by strykerg8gt

Employers with over 100 employees aren't required, they have the option for weekly testing. Are you also against that?

ABSO-****ING-LUTELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS AMERICA! We don't give up liberty and freedoms for a little supposed safety. We're supposed to wear masks because it'll keep you safe except it won't. We're supposed to get a vaccine that'll keep you from getting sick and dying except it won't. We're supposed to flatten the curve with a 2 week shut down except we're now 18 months into it. Where does it end? Where do we get back to life because all of this crap isn't life.