What would you want in the next-generation Camaro? - Page 13

Petrol Head · 01-08-2021, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

The base V8 Camaro from 1993 to 2002 was a Z28. You're not diluting anything by calling the 7th gen base V8 a Z28 or Z/28.

They used Z28 for the base V8 going back to 1977. The SS badge was absent for years. GM themselves diluted the original intent of the Z28. It pretty much became open season to put it on any V8 after that.

There’s a whole generation of us 80s kids who grew up with the thinking that Z28 was the V8 we could all afford - it was even on the 5.0 liter 160 horse lol

Disarmer · 01-08-2021, 04:22 PM

Oh, one more thing I forgot I'd like to see in the next generation: Get rid of the dumb as hell model naming scheme. Currently in just the Camaro lineup, you can purchase these:
1LS
1LT
1LT 1LE
1LT RS
2LT
2LT 1LE
2LT RS
3LT
3LT 1LE
3LT RS
LT1
LT1 RS
1SS
1SS 1LE
2SS
2SS 1LE
ZL1
ZL1 1LE

Now tell me how many people that are not frequenting a Camaro forum could ever come close to telling you what any of those are? The ONLY thing recognizable for a "normal" person is that they know SS means V8. That's it. Dodge is over here with trim names like Hellcat, Demon, TRX (T-rex) and Chevy is throwing random RPO codes out there. Stop using random letter combinations (even if they are historic ones) and make some real names for trims/packages that people can actually remember. This is all part of the branding/marketing issue Chevy has had for a decade now.

/rant

GearheadSS · 01-08-2021, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

They used Z28 for the base V8 going back to 1977. The SS badge was absent for years. GM themselves diluted the original intent of the Z28. It pretty much became open season to put it on any V8 after that.

There’s a whole generation of us 80s kids who grew up with the thinking that Z28 was the V8 we could all afford - it was even on the 5.0 liter 160 horse lol

Actually, the later 2nd gen Z28s weren't the base V8 cars. There was a 305 V8 available in non Z28 trims starting in 1977.

Norm Peterson · 01-08-2021, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

The base V8 Camaro from 1993 to 2002 was a Z28. You're not diluting anything by calling the 7th gen base V8 a Z28 or Z/28.

Base V8 vs base (overall) is getting kind of picky, no?

Norm

UnknownJinX · 01-08-2021, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disarmer

Oh, one more thing I forgot I'd like to see in the next generation: Get rid of the dumb as hell model naming scheme. Currently in just the Camaro lineup, you can purchase these:
1LS
1LT
1LT 1LE
1LT RS
2LT
2LT 1LE
2LT RS
3LT
3LT 1LE
3LT RS
LT1
LT1 RS
1SS
1SS 1LE
2SS
2SS 1LE
ZL1
ZL1 1LE

Now tell me how many people that are not frequenting a Camaro forum could ever come close to telling you what any of those are? The ONLY thing recognizable for a "normal" person is that they know SS means V8. That's it. Dodge is over here with trim names like Hellcat, Demon, TRX (T-rex) and Chevy is throwing random RPO codes out there. Stop using random letter combinations (even if they are historic ones) and make some real names for trims/packages that people can actually remember. This is all part of the branding/marketing issue Chevy has had for a decade now.

/rant

BMW/MB/Audi has M/AMG/S & RS.

Subaru has STi.

Nissan has Nismo.

People seem to recognize those fine.

It's tricky to come up with good names. One wrong step and you sound like a teenager trying to be 3dgy.

Again, may have to do with just how GM's marketing can be at times.

ThirdGenNut · 01-08-2021, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

BMW/MB/Audi has M/AMG/S & RS.

Subaru has STi.

Nissan has Nismo.

People seem to recognize those fine.

It's tricky to come up with good names. One wrong step and you sound like a teenager trying to be 3dgy.

Again, may have to do with just how GM's marketing can be at times.

Its easy.

base = price champion
rs = looks
berlinetta = tech
z28 = v8 price champion
ss = v8 + tech
zl1 = looks + streetable race car
1le option = track ready

Norm Peterson · 01-08-2021, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by genxer

This thread would be better info, if people would post what more specifically they'd want in a next gen Camaro (dump the T4 & 3.6 for a maxed-cube 4.3 block base engine). And not what they think works in the market, or what they think GM wants to offer.

m'kay . . .

A slightly lower beltline, by maybe an inch. Hold the roof height about where it is and put that inch into the glass height.

The double-hump instrument panel isn't all that intrusive, but it does look like it's fussy for the sake of fussiness. There's got to be a better way here.

Another vote for less tech. How about a limited-edition version of the SS/1LE with technology content comparable to the 5th gen Z/28.

Steering that isn't heavy for the sake of being heavy (like it is in 'Track mode'). Steering weight is not the same thing as steering feel.

Norm

Paintslinger16 · 01-08-2021, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disarmer

Oh, one more thing I forgot I'd like to see in the next generation: Get rid of the dumb as hell model naming scheme. Currently in just the Camaro lineup, you can purchase these:
1LS
1LT
1LT 1LE
1LT RS
2LT
2LT 1LE
2LT RS
3LT
3LT 1LE
3LT RS
LT1
LT1 RS
1SS
1SS 1LE
2SS
2SS 1LE
ZL1
ZL1 1LE

Now tell me how many people that are not frequenting a Camaro forum could ever come close to telling you what any of those are? The ONLY thing recognizable for a "normal" person is that they know SS means V8. That's it. Dodge is over here with trim names like Hellcat, Demon, TRX (T-rex) and Chevy is throwing random RPO codes out there. Stop using random letter combinations (even if they are historic ones) and make some real names for trims/packages that people can actually remember. This is all part of the branding/marketing issue Chevy has had for a decade now.

/rant

I agree and I work for the DoD, who make Acronyms for Acronyms and I after 20 years think this is a little silly.

And SS should be more motor, they should really do something with Z/28 maybe make Hellcat Killer with the name, deserves more then appearance RS package.

396ssrat · 01-08-2021, 06:26 PM

You may get a face lift or a slight tail panel change but Chevy isn't going to redesign a car destined to die. Chevy needs to take a hard look at why they are 3rd in sales and remedy that. So far as engine options are concerned it isn't that hard for a worker or a robot to move a couple feet and pick up another engine option. Give the damned car 800 horsepower and an 8 speed dual clutch automatic. trim off some of the excess weight and strengthen the car (Oh, and put some reinforcement where the car can more easily be jacked up with a stinking floor jack). OK GM, if you have to charge more money for this, knock off some glitter and make this a business only Camaro. It will make you lot's of money.

JCunningham · 01-10-2021, 03:21 AM

for them to not call a electric car a Camaro.

Norm Peterson · 01-10-2021, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disarmer

Oh, one more thing I forgot I'd like to see in the next generation: Get rid of the dumb as hell model naming scheme. Currently in just the Camaro lineup, you can purchase these:
1LS
1LT
1LT 1LE
1LT RS
2LT
2LT 1LE
2LT RS
3LT
3LT 1LE
3LT RS
LT1
LT1 RS
1SS
1SS 1LE
2SS
2SS 1LE
ZL1
ZL1 1LE

Now tell me how many people that are not frequenting a Camaro forum could ever come close to telling you what any of those are? The ONLY thing recognizable for a "normal" person is that they know SS means V8. That's it. Dodge is over here with trim names like Hellcat, Demon, TRX (T-rex) and Chevy is throwing random RPO codes out there. Stop using random letter combinations (even if they are historic ones) and make some real names for trims/packages that people can actually remember. This is all part of the branding/marketing issue Chevy has had for a decade now.

/rant

I agree, albeit to a limited extent. There's a few alphameric combinations that do carry some meaning, so there's good enough reason for hanging onto them in as close to the original context as possible.

All it does by using that naming approach for every trim/whatever is that the ones with any real historical significance start losing some of the 'specialness' they had.

But I guess that's the way people with a business management education tend to think.

Norm

Thrashed1LE · 01-10-2021, 05:02 PM

Easier entry and exit! These 6 gens are tight!

Petrol Head · 01-10-2021, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thrashed1LE

Easier entry and exit! These 6 gens are tight!

Use your tilt/telescope wheel to get in and out easier, and if you have a 2SS program your seat exit memory to automatically go all the way back and up when you open the door. It’s a Godsend!

Bob54 · 01-10-2021, 06:42 PM

I would like the 7th Gen to look like the 2nd Gen.

And it needs to have a model that is faster 0 to 60 than the fastest Tesla, 2.5 seconds. If it isn't faster than a 4 door Tesla then why bother.

If it can be done with an ICE fine, otherwise go electric.

01-08-2021, 06:26 PM	#177
396ssrat Drives: 66 Chevelle SS Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,347	You may get a face lift or a slight tail panel change but Chevy isn't going to redesign a car destined to die. Chevy needs to take a hard look at why they are 3rd in sales and remedy that. So far as engine options are concerned it isn't that hard for a worker or a robot to move a couple feet and pick up another engine option. Give the damned car 800 horsepower and an 8 speed dual clutch automatic. trim off some of the excess weight and strengthen the car (Oh, and put some reinforcement where the car can more easily be jacked up with a stinking floor jack). OK GM, if you have to charge more money for this, knock off some glitter and make this a business only Camaro. It will make you lot's of money. __________________ 66 Chevelle SS 396 91 octane Driver n/a 6.44@105.78 1/8th mile

01-10-2021, 03:21 AM	#178
JCunningham Drives: 2017 2SS M6 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: WNY Posts: 7,070	for them to not call a electric car a Camaro. __________________ real ZL1 wheels and brakes, 285/305 Michelin Pilot Super Sports, Pray ported Intake manifold, Soler Throttle Body, Rotofab intake, EFI Tuning Flex fuel kit, full American Racing Headers Exhaust, 1 7/8" w/ cats H pipe and mufflers. Full 1LE suspension, with BMR adjustable sway bars and links, GM aluminum cradle bushings, Hurst shifter with lighter reverse spring, TWM shifter knob, Tick level 1 transmission. I should have bought a ZL1

01-10-2021, 05:02 PM	#180
Thrashed1LE Drives: Chevrolet Camaro Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: 23838 Posts: 34	Easier entry and exit! These 6 gens are tight! __________________ Roto Fab CAI GM Performance Parts red knee pads and 1LE floor mats Mishimoto catch can GM Spectrum Lighting Alpine component speakers, JBL amp, Magnum Subs 3M tinted windows ZL1 Add Ons front and rear rock guards Stainless Works headers and x-pipe Borla ATAK axleback exhaust Dyno tuned at National Speed, 464rwhp, 493ft lbs Next up, MSD intake manifold and another set of dyno tunes

01-08-2021, 04:22 PM	#170
Disarmer Drives: 2019 1SS 1LE Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Texas Posts: 62	Oh, one more thing I forgot I'd like to see in the next generation: Get rid of the dumb as hell model naming scheme. Currently in just the Camaro lineup, you can purchase these: 1LS 1LT 1LT 1LE 1LT RS 2LT 2LT 1LE 2LT RS 3LT 3LT 1LE 3LT RS LT1 LT1 RS 1SS 1SS 1LE 2SS 2SS 1LE ZL1 ZL1 1LE Now tell me how many people that are not frequenting a Camaro forum could ever come close to telling you what any of those are? The ONLY thing recognizable for a "normal" person is that they know SS means V8. That's it. Dodge is over here with trim names like Hellcat, Demon, TRX (T-rex) and Chevy is throwing random RPO codes out there. Stop using random letter combinations (even if they are historic ones) and make some real names for trims/packages that people can actually remember. This is all part of the branding/marketing issue Chevy has had for a decade now. /rant

01-10-2021, 06:42 PM	#182
Bob54 Drives: 2016 1LT RS Convertible Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Boston Posts: 85	I would like the 7th Gen to look like the 2nd Gen. And it needs to have a model that is faster 0 to 60 than the fastest Tesla, 2.5 seconds. If it isn't faster than a 4 door Tesla then why bother. If it can be done with an ICE fine, otherwise go electric.

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