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90503 · 02-09-2016, 07:18 PM

I believe it's the engine/exhaust/tune mods offered by the aftermarket that is likely the big prize for the regulators. Designating any mod as disqualifying your car from being a streetable car to a race only car is an added disincentive for the public to mod their cars.

The logic and mind-set of the govt and the bureaucrats can be very baffling. In their view, anything other than stock turns your car into a "race-car". They already control the emissions from factory built cars and any changes the aftermarket offers is seen as a threat to their authority and goals. They have nothing better to do than choke off any avenues that circumvent their ideas, and don't care who gets hurt or put out of business.

Interesting that SEMA is championing the effort against it. The automakers would stand to be the winners in all this, as only their products, assembled on the cars would be legal for the street and racing. This may actually help defeat this plan as being unfair to them and giving a monopoly and advantage to only the automakers.

Who knows...but don't be surprised at how ridiculous this can become...Expect the unexpected....

mustang50lx · 02-09-2016, 07:50 PM

The EPA is a job killing unnecessary branch of the federal government that needs to be defunded. Congress can defund them them, but never will. Congress is also pretty much full of a bunch of self serving scumbags who don't care one bit about this county. They (The EPA) are completely out of control and do as they wish with no consideration for for the for the financial damage they cause or the rights any American.

Angrybird 12 · 02-09-2016, 08:12 PM

Speed just posted this:
The Environmental Protection Agency has issued a clarification in response to claims that it is proposing a ban on converting road vehicles into race cars.

The Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA) issued a statement on Monday indicating its intention to fight an EPA proposal to change the wording to the Clean Air Act as it applies to the installation of aftermarket parts that might circumvent stock emission-control devices. But in a separate statement released to the media today, the EPA said that the proposed change is merely intended to clean up the wording of an existing law:

"People may use EPA-certified motor vehicles for competition, but to protect public health from air pollution, the Clean Air Act has – since its inception – specifically prohibited tampering with or defeating the emission control systems on those vehicles," the agency said in its statement.

"The proposed regulation that SEMA has commented on does not change this long-standing law, or approach. Instead, the proposed language in the Heavy-Duty Greenhouse Gas rulemaking simply clarifies the distinction between motor vehicles and nonroad vehicles such as dirt bikes and snowmobiles. Unlike motor vehicles – which include cars, light trucks, and highway motorcycles – nonroad vehicles may, under certain circumstances, be modified for use in competitive events in ways that would otherwise be prohibited by the Clean Air Act.

"EPA is now reviewing public comments on this proposal."

There is no wording in the proposal to outline how the rule might be policed and breaches penalized, and RACER is awaiting additional details regarding what sort of vehicles or circumstances might be eligible for exemption. Current modified-production racing takes place under the existing wording of the rules without any EPA intervention.

Even so, the reworded law – if passed – will not go into effect until 2018, and will not be retroactive. Consequently, current race-modified production cars appear unlikely to be affected either way.

Snakestang65 · 02-09-2016, 08:31 PM

Folks,

We may be facing an end to our hobby due to legislation via the EPA.

Please read the following petition to the White House and sign if you agree to end this legislation.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//pe...les-racecars-0

We all need your support. Please forward to your friends in the hobby also.

John

Homeless Man · 02-09-2016, 08:33 PM

You guys need to quit whining nothing is going to happen lol

Snakestang65 · 02-09-2016, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homeless Man

You guys need to quit whining nothing is going to happen lol

Not if you keep sitting on the sidelines... Step up and sign!

EWade · 02-09-2016, 08:41 PM

There will be a great opposition to this legislation from the aftermarket industry alone. Doubtful it will go anywhere.

flyer08 · 02-09-2016, 10:34 PM

If you cant drive your race car....race your street car

two_wheel_mayhem · 02-09-2016, 10:38 PM

Let's not worry about Flint Michigan though, nothing to see there.

Wayniez · 02-09-2016, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMR Sales

Not NASCAR as those are purpose built RaceCars, but some of the lower Series would be affected.

What about Showroom Stock?

What I think is that a lot of Drag-Strips & Race Tracks will disappear.

I agree I just got this in an E Mail and was coming on to post it. I'm glad someone got here first.

I signed.

polizzio · 02-09-2016, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by two_wheel_mayhem

Let's not worry about Flint Michigan though, nothing to see there.

Absolutely. Ditto Detroit.

rebelyell22 · 02-09-2016, 11:04 PM

Meanwhile, I'm over here flying with leaded gas

ghosted · 02-09-2016, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snakestang65

Not if you keep sitting on the sidelines... Step up and sign!

You really think even 100,000 signatures will do anything? Do the math, that's 100,000 out of 300,000,000. That's like 0.03% of the population. Make it 1,000,000 signatures, and that's still only 0.3% of the population.

I get that its a great idea, and it makes people feel good without themselves without actually having to do anything, but it's not really doing anything. In fact, it's probably worse than doing nothing, because people get the idea that they're helping, when they're not. A certain petition about marijuana legislation was one of the biggest petitions on there, and not a thing was done about it. "We the people" is nothing more than a way for people to think the government is listening.

Grab your phone, call your congressmen/senators, and convince them why they should oppose certain legislation.

And sorry if this comes off as harsh, but I've been a government employee since 2003, and am intimately familiar with how this stuff works. (and how it doesn't)

But yeah, this isn't going to pass.

backeddy · 02-09-2016, 11:56 PM

Anyone who thinks this will go "nowhere" is a moron......ask us here in ca how "friendly" all of this bs is....... You don't think think they will show up at spec races and seize your car huh? you are a special kind of DUMB. It is not uncommon for the police in very liberal areas (santa cruz) of CA to set up check points to visually check your car for mods.....they tow them and now you are fcked. call your congressmen please!

02-09-2016, 08:12 PM	#31
Angrybird 12 7 year Cancer Survivor! Drives: 17 Cruze RS, 07 G6 GT, 99 Astro Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 21,547	Update from the EPA Speed just posted this: The Environmental Protection Agency has issued a clarification in response to claims that it is proposing a ban on converting road vehicles into race cars. The Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA) issued a statement on Monday indicating its intention to fight an EPA proposal to change the wording to the Clean Air Act as it applies to the installation of aftermarket parts that might circumvent stock emission-control devices. But in a separate statement released to the media today, the EPA said that the proposed change is merely intended to clean up the wording of an existing law: "People may use EPA-certified motor vehicles for competition, but to protect public health from air pollution, the Clean Air Act has – since its inception – specifically prohibited tampering with or defeating the emission control systems on those vehicles," the agency said in its statement. "The proposed regulation that SEMA has commented on does not change this long-standing law, or approach. Instead, the proposed language in the Heavy-Duty Greenhouse Gas rulemaking simply clarifies the distinction between motor vehicles and nonroad vehicles such as dirt bikes and snowmobiles. Unlike motor vehicles – which include cars, light trucks, and highway motorcycles – nonroad vehicles may, under certain circumstances, be modified for use in competitive events in ways that would otherwise be prohibited by the Clean Air Act. "EPA is now reviewing public comments on this proposal." There is no wording in the proposal to outline how the rule might be policed and breaches penalized, and RACER is awaiting additional details regarding what sort of vehicles or circumstances might be eligible for exemption. Current modified-production racing takes place under the existing wording of the rules without any EPA intervention. Even so, the reworded law – if passed – will not go into effect until 2018, and will not be retroactive. Consequently, current race-modified production cars appear unlikely to be affected either way. __________________ Cancer's a bitch! Enjoy life while you can! LIVE, LOVE, DRIVE... The Bird is the word!

02-09-2016, 08:31 PM	#32
Snakestang65 Drives: 2013 Blue Ray ZL1 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 87	End of our Hobby... End of an Era... Folks, We may be facing an end to our hobby due to legislation via the EPA. Please read the following petition to the White House and sign if you agree to end this legislation. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//pe...les-racecars-0 We all need your support. Please forward to your friends in the hobby also. John

02-09-2016, 08:33 PM	#33
Homeless Man Homeless Life Chose Me Drives: LS3 (sold 4/21) Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Streets of Philly Posts: 3,650	You guys need to quit whining nothing is going to happen lol __________________ Pity a man in familiar places, who yet feels like a stranger.

02-09-2016, 08:41 PM	#35
EWade Drives: 2015 Camaro LS Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Decatur, Il Posts: 115	There will be a great opposition to this legislation from the aftermarket industry alone. Doubtful it will go anywhere. __________________ 15 LS in Blue Velvet

02-09-2016, 10:38 PM	#37
two_wheel_mayhem Would rather be riding Drives: No car no more Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,750	Let's not worry about Flint Michigan though, nothing to see there. __________________ No dog in this fight anymore. 5th Gen owner 2009-2016.

02-09-2016, 07:18 PM	#29
90503 Drives: 2011 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Torrance Posts: 14,433	I believe it's the engine/exhaust/tune mods offered by the aftermarket that is likely the big prize for the regulators. Designating any mod as disqualifying your car from being a streetable car to a race only car is an added disincentive for the public to mod their cars. The logic and mind-set of the govt and the bureaucrats can be very baffling. In their view, anything other than stock turns your car into a "race-car". They already control the emissions from factory built cars and any changes the aftermarket offers is seen as a threat to their authority and goals. They have nothing better to do than choke off any avenues that circumvent their ideas, and don't care who gets hurt or put out of business. Interesting that SEMA is championing the effort against it. The automakers would stand to be the winners in all this, as only their products, assembled on the cars would be legal for the street and racing. This may actually help defeat this plan as being unfair to them and giving a monopoly and advantage to only the automakers. Who knows...but don't be surprised at how ridiculous this can become...Expect the unexpected....

02-09-2016, 07:50 PM	#30
mustang50lx Drives: 2015 SS Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Plum, PA Posts: 94	The EPA is a job killing unnecessary branch of the federal government that needs to be defunded. Congress can defund them them, but never will. Congress is also pretty much full of a bunch of self serving scumbags who don't care one bit about this county. They (The EPA) are completely out of control and do as they wish with no consideration for for the for the financial damage they cause or the rights any American.

02-09-2016, 10:34 PM	#36
flyer08 Account Suspended Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 3,418	If you cant drive your race car....race your street car

02-09-2016, 11:04 PM	#40
rebelyell22 Drives: 2011 SIM 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Tupelo, MS Posts: 5,902	Meanwhile, I'm over here flying with leaded gas __________________ 2011 2SS/RS built 8/24/10

02-09-2016, 11:56 PM	#42
backeddy Banned Drives: 2011 Boxster Spyder (best car ever) Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: San Jose, Ca Posts: 1,529	Anyone who thinks this will go "nowhere" is a moron......ask us here in ca how "friendly" all of this bs is....... You don't think think they will show up at spec races and seize your car huh? you are a special kind of DUMB. It is not uncommon for the police in very liberal areas (santa cruz) of CA to set up check points to visually check your car for mods.....they tow them and now you are fcked. call your congressmen please!