06-24-2022, 08:57 PM | #43 | |
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Block Him on FB because the nonsense wouldn’t stop there either.
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06-24-2022, 09:02 PM | #44 | |
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I don’t think I’ve seen a single one beat the 10sp at the track power for power. The shift from 4th to 5th is nothing desirable either.
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06-24-2022, 09:04 PM | #45 | |
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Then as other mentioned, with all those gears tightly spaced the A10 keeps you in the sweet spot of the power band enabling you to extract all the power the LT4 has to offer. Lastly, you can have some fun with the paddles if the mood strikes but it is a lot of gears to manage on the street. You are better off letting it shift on its own. One of the big struggles I have with M6 in the ZL1 is that while the M6 is more engaging, the A10 is so good that you have to give up quite a bit of performance if you go M6. Based on the times below, the ZL1 M6 is not much quicker than an SS M6? So, if I make the switch back to an M6 at some point I think the shorter gearing in the SS 1LE would be more fun on the street while not giving up that much performance. While the ZL1 M6 has a lot more power I assume the taller gearing doesn't make it feel much faster from a seat of the pants perspective. The A10 just feels fast everywhere as it rips through the gears. it is nice that we still have options but probably not for much longer.
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06-24-2022, 09:09 PM | #46 | |
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Realistically, how bad is 1st gear in ZL1 M6 vs. an SS? I have owned manuals in both the C7 Grand Sport and Camaro SS but I always hear complaints about the tall 1st gear in the M6 in the ZL1. I hear you have to slip the clutch pretty good to get it moving. Just wondering if it is really as bad as it is made out to be.
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06-24-2022, 10:56 PM | #47 | |
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I remember when I drove a 2018 SS 1LE M6 and it was fun but felt like it could use more punch. With the M6 ZL1, the punch that I was looking for was there. I get that both cars have different gearing but first gear in the Z is not bad at all. You can still have some fun and go through the gears on the street. It’s not like it’s useless and that’s it… no fun to it. You definitely will have a lot of fun with it. The A10 ZL1 is obviously faster than the M6 ZL1 since it will shift faster but between the two I was honestly catching feelings for the M6 in the Z lol. The whole engagement with the clutch, shifter, rev match, etc. is great. The A10 is good in its own way and depends on the individual’s preference and what they do with the car but the M6 I swear just suits me. I can’t say anything bad about the A10 but to me it felt like you know….the car is driving and ok…..but I’d prefer the M6 for the engagement and fun factor especially in a sports car. I believe the 2017-2018 ZL1 cars had the bog issue but when I drove a 2019 ZL1 there was no issue on the start from first gear. I don’t think there was an issue with having to slip the clutch pretty good to get it moving, it felt very easy to drive and was seriously fine. I can understand you’d like to hear opinions from everyone to get a general idea and I get that. Honestly all the answers and curious questions that you have will be answered once you get the feel for it. Try the M6 if you can find one around you and try everything that people may say about it and see how the transmission feels to you. I can’t say bad things about neither transmissions but I would just definitely prefer the M6 in the Z. |
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06-25-2022, 10:20 AM | #48 | |
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I am also considering keeping the A10 ZL1 and maybe pick up a Miata or GR86 with a manual that I can thrash around. They are obviously very different when it comes to power but that also makes them a lot fun to wind out gears on the street. And then there is option of waiting for the recession to take hold and see C8 Corvettes at MSRP become commonplace. Obviously no manual but experiencing the DCT, mid-engine driving dynamics, improved interior and visibility could be entertaining for a while.
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06-25-2022, 10:25 AM | #49 | |
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06-25-2022, 12:43 PM | #50 | |
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06-25-2022, 12:52 PM | #51 |
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Question: do you think that some gearing options for the rear end would mitigate the "dog" somewhat? And if so, do you see anything on the horizon? And, for what it's worth, doesn't the M6 hold its own on Nurburgring?
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06-25-2022, 01:31 PM | #52 | |
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As far as the Nurburgring, how many of us are tracking our cars on a track like this? For me the answer is easy. If I was to be tracking my car on tracks like this I would pick the 6speed. If I’m looking for speed and to be the fastest I’m Going to choose the 10sp. The tight gear ratios have you in the power band every gear. I’m also a bit older now, I drive my car a lot and sitting in traffic with a manual isn’t fun anymore. Regardless staying on topic, the 10speed is just simply faster then the manual.
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06-26-2022, 12:09 AM | #53 | |
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No problem man. I can see the pros and cons you’ve listed and the back and forth thoughts you’re having in your head lol and I understand. First off I totally hear ya on the price increase and all that as it is kinda ridiculous so I definitely feel it’s not worth you having to get out of your financial budget just to get into a whole new ZL1 with the M6. Even though the auto is not as engaging as the manual…I would definitely not step down to the M6 SS 1LE as like you mentioned I feel you would regret the power loss. I’ve looked at M6 SS 1LEs before and then A10 ZL1’s and drove them both back to back. While the SS 1LE was more engaging and fun with the manual, I’d still would choose the ZL1 with the A10 because to me it’s just simply the top dog and the faster car with more potential. Nothing against the 1LE but most would definitely go for the ZL1 just like most would go for the Hellcat as opposed to the 392. With the fun from the M6 SS 1LE I drove and the power from the A10 ZL1, it’s no question for me an M6 ZL1 is the perfect combination. I totally get that you can’t use the power all that much on the street with the ZL1 unless you have the occasional on and off ramp where you can floor the car (if no one is in front of you and you have the open space to do so) and there’s hardly any curvy roads in Florida. I’m not sure if you track your car but if you really want to make the most out of the power from your ZL1…then you definitely have to take the car to the track and race your heart out over there. Whether it’s the drag strip (perfect since you have an A10) and or the road course. You’ll be on the throttle all the time at the track and you won’t even feel like getting on it on the street as you’ve gotten it all out of your system at the track. I duno where your located at in Florida but you have some ¼ tracks like in Gainesville, Orlando, and Bradenton. Unfortunately the PBIR track recently closed in South Florida. So us South Floridians have to go to the next nearest one which is Orlando Speedway in Orlando. Now this is totally your decision but if I was you, I would definitely keep the A10 ZL1 and get a little side car with the manual. You won’t sacrifice the ZL1 for a lower trim Camaro and have the best of both worlds with the auto in the Z and a manual in your other vehicle to have fun with on the streets or wherever. As for the C8, that’s totally up to you. I had a friend who had one and I drove it for a little while. It’s definitely a good little car and great in it’s own way but not really my cup of tea. I’m not really a fan of both the interior and exterior styling. It will not rival the power of the ZL1 and be as raw. I’d prefer the ZL1 IMO but it’s your decision and you could always get the feel for the cars and go from there. Hopefully this was helpful and maybe I’ve given you some well rounded guidance as to what I may see best fits your situation. |
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06-26-2022, 11:59 AM | #54 | |
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I plan to stick with the ZL1 and pickup something small and lightweight that is manual and toss-able. I drove the C8 on track and it handled fantastic but I can see how it could get boring on the street.
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06-26-2022, 08:28 PM | #55 | |
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I just got back from a "spirited" drive in the ZL1. It is amazing how much power is in the last 1/4 travel of the accelerator pedal. It feels like there is and extra 150hp there but you have to go deep into the accelerator to access it. Like pinned to the floor.
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