[FastCarFanBoy]

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=102428

owner claims bone stock. Although he did adjust tire pressure so im sure that disqualifies it. Also Blaqwhole wasn't there to certify the pass so that probably also disqualifies it.

Its also not on the M6G fast list so thats 3 strikes.

was in 1300' d/a as well. Could be Evan Smith's ringer ....looks like the same car.

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Fixed it for you.

That's just a very odd comment and observation on your part. Someone mentions a girl at a concert and you start thinking of girls in stuffed bras?

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[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=102428

owner claims bone stock. Although he did adjust tire pressure so im sure that disqualifies it. Also Blaqwhole wasn't there to certify the pass so that probably also disqualifies it.

Its also not on the M6G fast list so thats 3 strikes.

was in 1300' d/a as well. Could be Evan Smith's ringer ....looks like the same car.

Drag times is saying da is more like 1700. But he did say some good tailwind

That’s impressive



YO YO YO ! Nother level NA!

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by germanicus

Maybe if you deny it, people won't read the actual words you JUST wrote.
The cognitive dissonance is off the charts. You could make our president blush.


Really, you just randomly decided to make that statement?
You were trying to be coy, its obvious. You got called on it. Own it.



He beat a certain zl1's time. Maybe we can ask that owner? (Wait.... nevermind. The guy in the posted video was 'trying'. Not a fair comparison!).



How is that relevant? How do you know that? Are you saying no one tracks their 18 GT? Really?!?! WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? How is that relevant to the video? Do tell, do you ask the same thing of anyone who posts a quarter mile time in their Camaro??? "Oh yeah, butdo you run at full track events?".



Do all cars need your personal blessing, or only 18 GT's? Are you omnipresent?



Except for the ones posted herein?
How convenient to selectively ignore that which does not conform with your (rather ridiculous) bias.

You mad bro...??

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

That's just a very odd comment and observation on your part. Someone mentions a girl at a concert and you start thinking of girls in stuffed bras?

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I was going for the "hidden mod" angle. As a joke.

"a girl (giddy Mustang guy with first V8) with a stuffed bra (hidden modifications) at their first Boy band concert (drag racing)"

Swing and a miss....

[Cerberos]

Tested a 2018 GT a10 stock on drag radials in the stock wheels, 93 pump fuel, temp was 88*F, the car went 12.4@114 several times, 60ft was 2.0 not spining at all.

Also tested a 2016 camaro SS stock on a drag pack with 93 fuel, it went 12.3@113 with a 1.85 60ft also not spinning at all.

camaro put down 385whp in 6th gear, mustang put down 405whp in 7th, both this car will get intake, headers and flex fuel tunes, we will see where they end up.

From my own testing they are pretty even on a straight line, the difference in low end torque makes the mustang feel pretty weak before 4K rpms and it shows it on the 60ft.

[Gunkk]

Swing and a miss....

subtle...

like them 10s “stock” stangs ...

[1295/SS]

Originally Posted by germanicus

Maybe if you deny it, people won't read the actual words you JUST wrote.
The cognitive dissonance is off the charts. You could make our president blush.


Really, you just randomly decided to make that statement?
You were trying to be coy, its obvious. You got called on it. Own it.



He beat a certain zl1's time. Maybe we can ask that owner? (Wait.... nevermind. The guy in the posted video was 'trying'. Not a fair comparison!).



How is that relevant? How do you know that? Are you saying no one tracks their 18 GT? Really?!?! WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? How is that relevant to the video? Do tell, do you ask the same thing of anyone who posts a quarter mile time in their Camaro??? "Oh yeah, butdo you run at full track events?".



Do all cars need your personal blessing, or only 18 GT's? Are you omnipresent?



Except for the ones posted herein?
How convenient to selectively ignore that which does not conform with your (rather ridiculous) bias.

Is your attempt at trying to sound intelligent just sarcasm or do you really think you're impressing anyone? If it's the latter, you're failing miserably.

[Snowblind]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=102428

owner claims bone stock. Although he did adjust tire pressure so im sure that disqualifies it. Also Blaqwhole wasn't there to certify the pass so that probably also disqualifies it.

Its also not on the M6G fast list so thats 3 strikes.

was in 1300' d/a as well. Could be Evan Smith's ringer ....looks like the same car.

Looks like a strong pass.

Their is no doubt that with a hp bump to 460 coupled with the A10 trans that these cars are capable of good e.t.'s. What I find interesting is that when Evan first ran his numbers their was a strong influx of guys (or trolls.. whichever fits) that were saying that "because of their late release, wait til spring" to see all their spectacular times. The 2016 Camaro SS also had a late release if you remember, but at this time of year in 2016, I counted 17 members submitted timeslips for the fast list. I counted 1 submitted slip on Mg6 iirc.

I'm sure plenty of 2018 GT owners have hit the track by now. Did Evan's crazy quick ET discourage owners from posting, what they feel, are sub par numbers ? I am asking an honest question. Where are the timeslips ??

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Drag times is saying da is more like 1700. But he did say some good tailwind

That’s impressive



YO YO YO ! Nother level NA!

"Nother level NA YO" is the Mustang version of "VTEC YO"...

Originally Posted by Snowblind

Looks like a strong pass.

Their is no doubt that with a hp bump to 460 coupled with the A10 trans that these cars are capable of good e.t.'s. What I find interesting is that when Evan first ran his numbers their was a strong influx of guys (or trolls.. whichever fits) that were saying that "because of their late release, wait til spring" to see all their spectacular times. The 2016 Camaro SS also had a late release if you remember, but at this time of year in 2016, I counted 17 members submitted timeslips for the fast list. I counted 1 submitted slip on Mg6 iirc.

I'm sure plenty of 2018 GT owners have hit the track by now. Did Evan's crazy quick ET discourage owners from posting, what they feel, are sub par numbers ? I am asking an honest question. Where are the timeslips ??

All of the fast ones are only on You Tube. They're too busy taking their Mustangs to "nother level NA".

[autocross]

Okay Guys, I just spend almost 2 hours going through this thread. I see a TON of bias, but I need some unbiased guidance.

Let’s put aside all numbers. I know, you must think i’m crazy. The truth is we don’t think of numbers when we drive, right? It’s all about the experience, and i hate to say it - cost of ownership. So let me ask all of you for your unbiased OPINION! No facts. What car (GT or SS) is more fun to drive?

Part 2: Reliability. I heard a lot of mentions of reliability earlier on, but how about now. We’ve had a good amount of time to watch the GT’s and ecoboosts roll off the lots and get thrashed. Are they reliable? is the high revving coyote too good to be true?

What’s the aftermarket like? I thought the camaro looked pretty slim on the aftermarket. Suspension mods for me are a must. Which one can run bigger tires?

Is one built better than the other?

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by autocross

Okay Guys, I just spend almost 2 hours going through this thread. I see a TON of bias, but I need some unbiased guidance.

Well there will be bias. This is a Camaro thread after all. However most of us have experience with Mustangs. And we're expressing our discontent with the Mustang based on our experiences. So it isn't like we just bought Camaros and started talking shit about the competition.

Originally Posted by autocross

Let’s put aside all numbers. I know, you must think i’m crazy. The truth is we don’t think of numbers when we drive, right? It’s all about the experience, and i hate to say it - cost of ownership. So let me ask all of you for your unbiased OPINION! No facts. What car (GT or SS) is more fun to drive?

Stock to stock I'd say the Camaro because it has much more power off the line and it handles way better. Although I am not familiar with the PP2, I would say that the PP1 is no match for the SS 1LE and I doubt it is much of a match against the standard SS.

Originally Posted by autocross

Part 2: Reliability. I heard a lot of mentions of reliability earlier on, but how about now. We’ve had a good amount of time to watch the GT’s and ecoboosts roll off the lots and get thrashed. Are they reliable? is the high revving coyote too good to be true?

They both have a good warranty but I'd say the Camaro is more reliable. There were tons of issues with the S550 that carried over from the S197. Hood vibration issues, drivetrain vibration, tramlining, as well as other issues...oil consumption (GT350), issues with the clutch, etc. Ford seems to be content with pumping out as many Mustangs as possible and it seems that quality kinda takes a back seat.

Originally Posted by autocross

What’s the aftermarket like? I thought the camaro looked pretty slim on the aftermarket. Suspension mods for me are a must. Which one can run bigger tires?

Is one built better than the other?

The aftermarket is virtually the same for both cars. Anything you can get for a Mustang, you can also get for a Camaro. The Camaro just doesn't need the aftermarket support that the Mustang seems to need. At least in the 15-17 MYs. Time will tell if the 18s need suspension, OPG, brake, and axle upgrades. I'm not sure which one can run bigger tires.

If you're in the market for one of these cars then your best bet is to take them both for an extended test drive and see which one you prefer. If your goal is to heavily mod whichever one you get then I'd steer you towards a GT. If you want the better performer out the box and don't plan on doing any mods then the SS is the best bet.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by autocross

Okay Guys, I just spend almost 2 hours going through this thread. I see a TON of bias, but I need some unbiased guidance.

Let’s put aside all numbers. I know, you must think i’m crazy. The truth is we don’t think of numbers when we drive, right? It’s all about the experience, and i hate to say it - cost of ownership. So let me ask all of you for your unbiased OPINION! No facts. What car (GT or SS) is more fun to drive?

Part 2: Reliability. I heard a lot of mentions of reliability earlier on, but how about now. We’ve had a good amount of time to watch the GT’s and ecoboosts roll off the lots and get thrashed. Are they reliable? is the high revving coyote too good to be true?

What’s the aftermarket like? I thought the camaro looked pretty slim on the aftermarket. Suspension mods for me are a must. Which one can run bigger tires?

Is one built better than the other?

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I don't think that the data is out for the 2018 GT yet but the 2017 GT did fare better than the Camaro in J.D. Powers review. There does seem to be more issues with the 18 though.

The fun factor well that is up to the individual, I test drove the new SS, and 18 GT and I still think my Boss is more fun to drive, go figure.

Aftermarket - no question the GT, there are a ton of aftermarket tuners and parts out there.

IMO if I was thinking about a new purchase I would wait for the 2019 SS with the A10. The Bullitt will soon hit the streets and is packing 480-hp, this will surely find its way into the GT very soon. Dodge is teasing a 426 Hemi, will it make its way into a RT Challenger, if so that could be alot of fun! Things to consider.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by autocross

Okay Guys, I just spend almost 2 hours going through this thread. I see a TON of bias, but I need some unbiased guidance.

Let’s put aside all numbers. I know, you must think i’m crazy. The truth is we don’t think of numbers when we drive, right? It’s all about the experience, and i hate to say it - cost of ownership. So let me ask all of you for your unbiased OPINION! No facts. What car (GT or SS) is more fun to drive?

How do you define “fun to drive”? The cars have different personalities. If you like massive low end torque, Camaro. If you like effortless top end acceleration, Mustang. If you like feeling like you can turn on a dime, Camaro. If you like a smooth jolt free ride, Mustang or Camaro with MRC.

Part 2: Reliability. I heard a lot of mentions of reliability earlier on, but how about now. We’ve had a good amount of time to watch the GT’s and ecoboosts roll off the lots and get thrashed. Are they reliable? is the high revving coyote too good to be true?

JD Power gives a good by-the-numbers assessment, but when they compile the numbers, dropped valves and wireless charge pad doesn’t work Have the same impact on scoring. Comparing JD Power numbers should be the start of understanding reliability, but not the only measure. I would give the edge to Camaro, because the transmission shudder problems some have experienced with the A8 have been identified and isolated to cars built before June 2017 and dealers have a TSB detailing the fix. There have been no serious engine issues tagged. Ford is still trying to get a handle on the engine issues plaguing the 2018. I’m sure they will figure it out, but right now they are stacking up a pile of pi$$ed off customers.

What’s the aftermarket like? I thought the camaro looked pretty slim on the aftermarket. Suspension mods for me are a must. Which one can run bigger tires?

You can get the same types of solutions for either on the aftermarket, but you can probably find more vendor options for Mustang. At the end of the day, you will only use one vendor per accessory. How many CAIs do you expect to buy? How many Whipplesor Procharges? Mustang will have more vendors selling them. Some vendors will cover both cars. Who has the better vendors? Not sure how to answer that, so we’ll leave that for people who really do mods.

Is one built better than the other?

Unless you are one who digs through Harbour Reports data and study Munro tear down data, the answer is very subjective. Go with what feels better on test drive. Maybe also drive a few 2 - 3 year old cars on used dealer lots to get a feel for how the chassis holds up over a couple years and place your chips based on that.

In any event, wishing you well in your search and choice.