02-08-2018, 12:35 AM | #1779 |
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Ford does like to put in the absolute minimum effort into their GT offerings... probably why I've never owned a GT. But the thought occurred to me, why should they?
Do I think it would be cool if they did? Yeah, hell yeah. But from a business point of view, what does Ford have to gain by shooting for the performance crown with the GT? A much larger investment cost due to tons more R&D? Let's say they went this route, what would they gain? Sales, they seem to be doing just fine. Better results in mag comparisons? Aside from us enthusiasts, who reads these? A pat on the back from us, said enthusiasts? Ok, sure, but what's that worth to them? Look, I'm by no means rooting for them to do the bare minimum. Its actually a bit annoying, to someone that understands performance metrics, but from a profit producing/business side, I can understand it. Mustang, as it stands, doesn't need to lead the performance pack to accomplish the goal set for it by Ford. The car market isn't exactly a cash cow, so why invest more than necessary in a niche segment in a dwindling market? Honestly, I imagine I'll still continue just not buying GT's, currently I'm always on the look out for a deal on a used GT350 to pick up, maybe a early Tech Pack car, but I'm in no real hurry. Anyway, carry on. This was just like...my opinion...man.
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02-08-2018, 06:41 AM | #1780 | |
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I am fortunate it is currently not in my wheel house to drop $50K on a car, because outside that I would have bought a '17 GT350 by now I promise. I do not see a great deal of difference in price right now comparing '16 v '17 350's. Not enough a difference to not jump on a '17 anyway. For me, its Recaros and coolers or no thanks. The engine characteristics of the Voodoo are exactly what I am currently after in my sports cars. High revving N/A is a BLAST!!!
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02-08-2018, 06:59 AM | #1781 | |
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It would be really cool and informative to see what happens in tire swap tests. For me tires and wheels never stay for me long, at least not tires, and I think that's very common among enthusiasts. This would be a very useful test to show what the suspension itself in the car is all about and capable of. Would be great to see for PP1 and PP2, v 1LE or not.
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02-08-2018, 07:36 AM | #1782 | |
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02-08-2018, 07:56 AM | #1783 | |
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The PP1 / PP2 split is probably designed to achieve better profitability. For customers not willing to pay to get to 1LE levels of performance, Ford can still squeeze out some revenue by having them pay a little more than half to get halfway there. So if including Pilot Cup 2 on the PP2 package gets Ford the win against the 1LE, more power to 'em (no pun intended). It's part of the balance decision made in putting the car together.
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02-08-2018, 07:59 AM | #1784 | |
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Well said!
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Motorcycle mags that do track tests (obviously we're talking about sportbikes) of bikes that they're reviewing always put the same tires on all the bikes for the track portion of the evaluation. Of course, the set of tires only cost about $350 and they are almost always the same size front and back. Nonetheless, I've always wished that the car mags would do that as well. Along with dynoing each contestant like the bike mags do.
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02-08-2018, 09:55 AM | #1787 | |
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I'd hate to think that Ford ran to PSC2 tires as simply a band-aid for the PP1 without doing much else. Or insisted on too many compromises in the PSC2 tires for their OE fitments and are relying on the PSC2's existing reputation, for that matter. Guess time (and hopefully the promised comparison) will tell. Norm
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When the bike mags do it they mount brand new, DOT track tires on every bike in the test. Minimal tread pattern and very soft rubber. On a liter bike with a fast rider they're only good for a day or two at the track. I assume that there are similar car options. But certainly it would be $$$ for the car mags to do and I imagine an even smaller percentage of sports cars find their way to the track than sportbikes so many many customers probably don't care.
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02-08-2018, 08:08 PM | #1790 |
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It must also be considered that some manufacturers work directly with tire companies to develop specific compounds/patterns for their cars. ZL1 1LE is the latest example in a long list of high performance cars that have sought after every .1 they could get.
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02-08-2018, 08:39 PM | #1791 |
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The tire argument is just an excuse. If they were very close in performance with the Camaro just edging out the Mustang and the Camaro had much better tires, then I would agree that the tires are to credit. But when the margin was as huge as it was, then there is no way anyone can say it was the tire.
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02-08-2018, 08:55 PM | #1792 | |
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Putting the same tire on both cars would very simple remove a variable, and could showcase each vehicle's driving dynamics/chassis more clearly. Hell...put the SS 1LE on All-Seasons, I still think it would spank the GT PP1. |
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