07-26-2017, 01:58 PM | #211 |
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I love the idea Mustang stepped up their game. Competition is good! How is it Ford gets the 10 speed transmission in numbers to support their demand while GM isn't or can't?
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07-26-2017, 02:07 PM | #212 |
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The price increased arent out of line. Plus the Camaro is up for an MCE for MY19, which as we all know will carry its own price increses.
However, its relatively easy to mitigate those increases with the easy access to Ford's X-plan and others if you qualify (A, D, Z, etc) and GM has their equavalents, I'm sure. The lowest discounting Plan com Ford, X, is something like 5% savings off MSRP. I'm sure GM has something similar. That would make the starting point for GT $33,340. Plus most of us know how to haggle a dealer.
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07-26-2017, 02:11 PM | #213 | |
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Also, that's not mitigating an increase. I could have used X plan the previous years as well, which would pretty much net me the same discount. |
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07-26-2017, 02:12 PM | #214 | |
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It is the same with the chassis or modules serveral cars sharing. Some do it better than others.
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07-26-2017, 02:19 PM | #215 | |
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The A10 will almost assuredly be a part of that. Eight new models will have it in GM for next year.
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07-26-2017, 02:56 PM | #216 | |
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The Ford's needed the A10 much more than the GM vehicles. |
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07-26-2017, 02:56 PM | #217 |
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I bought the Camaro because of its looks . I guess your comment was just your own opinion ( that nobody but yourself gives a shit about )
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07-26-2017, 03:08 PM | #218 | ||
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GM had the 8-speed for several years now. Moving from A8 to A10 offers slight advantage. FoMoCo moving from A6 to A10 will offer more substantial advantage. Everybody wins. Barring any unforeseen technical/build quality issues with the A10.
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and this must be bizarro world MEDISIN and I are agreeing |
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07-26-2017, 03:40 PM | #220 | |
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07-26-2017, 03:40 PM | #221 |
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The Alpha Chassis more than makes up for 5 hp. Oh, and the fomoco is still 30 down on tq.
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07-26-2017, 03:43 PM | #222 |
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Hmm. I just priced out an A10 GT PP for a friend @ $41,585. How do we know less performance yet? LOL
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07-26-2017, 03:49 PM | #223 |
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The Raptor's A10 is not identical to the ZL1's A10.. Raptor is a 10R80 and ZL1 is a 10R90.. So, there's a difference in TQ rating and the ratios are slightly different and I believe the TCM is also programmed with different algos than GM.
Also, those of you with A10 ZL1s.. Have fun at your local auto parts store.. I've already had to have "the talk" with a couple about how I'm not wrong, yes I know this is a Ford designation, here, let me tell you a little story about two giants. BTW..... For those of you that local source your ATF.. Be aware of their inventory.. Some locals tried to sell me Mercon LV when I was originally looking for the ACDelco ULV... because "that's what the computer says you need"... |
07-26-2017, 03:59 PM | #224 |
Sure, why not?
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I would love to see the torque curves of both engines together on the same graph so we can see the rpms as well.
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