[BrianL]

I love the idea Mustang stepped up their game. Competition is good! How is it Ford gets the 10 speed transmission in numbers to support their demand while GM isn't or can't?

[crysalis_01]

The price increased arent out of line. Plus the Camaro is up for an MCE for MY19, which as we all know will carry its own price increses.

However, its relatively easy to mitigate those increases with the easy access to Ford's X-plan and others if you qualify (A, D, Z, etc) and GM has their equavalents, I'm sure.

The lowest discounting Plan com Ford, X, is something like 5% savings off MSRP. I'm sure GM has something similar. That would make the starting point for GT $33,340. Plus most of us know how to haggle a dealer.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

The price increased arent out of line. Plus the Camaro is up for an MCE for MY19, which as we all know will carry its own price increses.

However, its relatively easy to mitigate those increases with the easy access to Ford's X-plan and others if you qualify (A, D, Z, etc) and GM has their equavalents, I'm sure.

The lowest discounting Plan com Ford, X, is something like 5% savings off MSRP. I'm sure GM has something similar. That would make the starting point for GT $33,340. Plus most of us know how to haggle a dealer.

Most cars don't have huge price increase for mid cycle refresh. I don't see GM doing anything besides updating the front and rear anyway.

Also, that's not mitigating an increase. I could have used X plan the previous years as well, which would pretty much net me the same discount.

[Soleil]

Originally Posted by BrianL

I love the idea Mustang stepped up their game. Competition is good! How is it Ford gets the 10 speed transmission in numbers to support their demand while GM isn't or can't?

I think it is a question of investing and cut the costs the 10 speed is developed by Ford with GM together but Ford got the lead.
It is the same with the chassis or modules serveral cars sharing. Some do it better than others.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by BrianL

I love the idea Mustang stepped up their game. Competition is good! How is it Ford gets the 10 speed transmission in numbers to support their demand while GM isn't or can't?

Probably has to do with GM has lots of vehicles they need to get the 10 speed in that are currently using the 8 speed. They are likely scaling up and making changes to those models to accept the new A10. But as far as I know, Ford has only plans to use it in the F150s and Mustangs. That could be why right there. I guarantee the bean counters want to squeeze as much life out of the 8L90s before they are completely replaced.

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Most cars don't have huge price increase for mid cycle refresh. I don't see GM doing anything besides updating the front and rear anyway.

The A10 will almost assuredly be a part of that. Eight new models will have it in GM for next year.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Probably has to do with GM has lots of vehicles they need to get the 10 speed in that are currently using the 8 speed. They are likely scaling up and making changes to those models to accept the new A10. But as far as I know, Ford has only plans to use it in the F150s and Mustangs. That could be why right there. I guarantee the bean counters want to squeeze as much life out of the 8L90s before they are completely replaced.



The A10 will almost assuredly be a part of that. Eight new models will have it in GM for next year.

I would have to agree its a bean counter decision. Isn't the A8 still relatively new and in some cases really new to certain vehicles.

The Ford's needed the A10 much more than the GM vehicles.

[Promax65]

I bought the Camaro because of its looks . I guess your comment was just your own opinion ( that nobody but yourself gives a shit about )

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by Soleil

I think it is a question of investing and cut the costs the 10 speed is developed by Ford with GM together but Ford got the lead.

??? I believe the ZL1 was the first vehicle in production with the joint 10-speed transmission.

Originally Posted by shaffe

I would have to agree its a bean counter decision. Isn't the A8 still relatively new and in some cases really new to certain vehicles.

The Ford's needed the A10 much more than the GM vehicles.

^ x 1,000

GM had the 8-speed for several years now. Moving from A8 to A10 offers slight advantage. FoMoCo moving from A6 to A10 will offer more substantial advantage.

Everybody wins. Barring any unforeseen technical/build quality issues with the A10.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

??? I believe the ZL1 was the first vehicle in production with the joint 10-speed transmission.



^ x 1,000

GM had the 8-speed for several years now. Moving from A8 to A10 offers slight advantage. FoMoCo moving from A6 to A10 will offer more substantial advantage.

Everybody wins. Barring any unforeseen technical/build quality issues with the A10.

I can't remember if it was the ZL1 or Raptor that came out first with the A10. Either way, this move benefits both GM and Ford.

and this must be bizarro world MEDISIN and I are agreeing

[KyleL]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Probably has to do with GM has lots of vehicles they need to get the 10 speed in that are currently using the 8 speed. They are likely scaling up and making changes to those models to accept the new A10. But as far as I know, Ford has only plans to use it in the F150s and Mustangs. That could be why right there. I guarantee the bean counters want to squeeze as much life out of the 8L90s before they are completely replaced

I don't see the a8 being completely replaced, at least in the truck line. I see it replacing the a6 with the a10 being an option, like it is now with the a6/a8.

[jonny5cam]

The Alpha Chassis more than makes up for 5 hp. Oh, and the fomoco is still 30 down on tq.

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by OMEN

good car finally they try to catch up with the camaro
but the problem is the pricing for it
GTPP will cost even more than 1LE with less performance OVER $50 VS 1LE $45

so i just we will witness a boost in sales for GM

Hmm. I just priced out an A10 GT PP for a friend @ $41,585. How do we know less performance yet? LOL

[Mr. Meh]

The Raptor's A10 is not identical to the ZL1's A10.. Raptor is a 10R80 and ZL1 is a 10R90.. So, there's a difference in TQ rating and the ratios are slightly different and I believe the TCM is also programmed with different algos than GM.

Also, those of you with A10 ZL1s.. Have fun at your local auto parts store.. I've already had to have "the talk" with a couple about how I'm not wrong, yes I know this is a Ford designation, here, let me tell you a little story about two giants.

BTW..... For those of you that local source your ATF.. Be aware of their inventory.. Some locals tried to sell me Mercon LV when I was originally looking for the ACDelco ULV... because "that's what the computer says you need"...

[Emoto]

Originally Posted by jonny5cam

The Alpha Chassis more than makes up for 5 hp. Oh, and the fomoco is still 30 down on tq.

I would love to see the torque curves of both engines together on the same graph so we can see the rpms as well.