Why all the Flowmaster hate? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Bigdumogre · 03-04-2021, 07:03 PM

Every time I read something or watch a video and Flowmaster exhaust is mentioned they get tons of hate. Just watched last rpm video and they make jokes all the time like he lost 10 hp by using Flowmasters.

Is there any truth to this? I know they drone (mine does) but I love their sound. It’s a true old school muscle car sound that I can’t find with any other companies.

BLU DUCE · 03-04-2021, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigdumogre

Every time I read something or watch a video and Flowmaster exhaust is mentioned they get tons of hate. Just watched last rpm video and they make jokes all the time like he lost 10 hp by using Flowmasters.

Is there any truth to this? I know they drone (mine does) but I love their sound. It’s a true old school muscle car sound that I can’t find with any other companies.

+1 Well I have had my Flowmaster 409 Stainless Thunder W/Kooks long tube headers JBA Hi cats and X-pipe with no drone. Have been on my camaro 11years With QTP cut outs [even better]

Avenging Orange · 03-04-2021, 09:07 PM

Always gonna be haters.

mikeinmobile · 03-04-2021, 10:28 PM

Here's a touching video of a mans funeral and it has 271,000 dislikes.......271,000 scary people.

MericanMuscle · 03-04-2021, 11:43 PM

The drone is probably the main contributor to the hate. Honestly don’t care what others think is “cool” or “crap” for a car. You do what works for you and fits your budget and don’t let the haters get under your skin.

InFiD3ViL · 03-04-2021, 11:46 PM

Meh, people love to bitch, and they love to hate on what's popular. There was a time when it seemed like everyone was running a Flowmaster muffler on their car or truck because they sounded so good, and also because they were easy to find and inexpensive. But then it got to a point where everyone's ride sounded the same.

I love my Flowmasters and have only gotten positive comments on them. Flowmasters almost always sound great from the outside. But they really need to update their product line and maybe try and innovate some. I have seen little to no technology to help reduce or eliminate drone, which their exhaust systems greatly suffer from. They don't call them 'DroneMasters' for nothing! But I have tolerated it because they sound so damned good.

As for actual flow? I have never had an issue with FMs not flowing well. That goes for their 2 and 3 chamber mufflers, as well as my nearly straight through FM Outlaw mufflers. Most issues with exhaust flow could probably be avoided by doing a little research and taking the time to properly match the muffler and exhaust type/size with your power level.

All that said, I still stick with my first point.

redcoats1976 · 03-04-2021, 11:57 PM

ran some pretty loud headers/duals/cherry bombs on a big block pontiac along with 3 years in the army on tank gunneries.as i sit here typing i hear a ringing in my ears like a thousand cicadas.protect your ears or you will pay the price...but its your hearing and your choice.

SlingShot · 03-05-2021, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by redcoats1976

ran some pretty loud headers/duals/cherry bombs on a big block pontiac along with 3 years in the army on tank gunneries.as i sit here typing i hear a ringing in my ears like a thousand cicadas.protect your ears or you will pay the price...but its your hearing and your choice.

Ah good old tinnitus, it can drive you crazy at times. Mine isn't from loud noise, but from chemo. Listening to music helps cancel mine out, but it's still there 24/7.

morepowerjoe · 03-05-2021, 06:21 AM

When you guys talk about drone, are you talking about the sound the l99 makes when it goes in the 4 cylinder mode or something else?

RupertPupkin · 03-05-2021, 06:21 AM

Loved my flow master super 40s paired up with a cat back when I had my G8. I then went FBO set up with Super 10s, and it sounded like shit. Needs to be the right set up or it’ll sound raspy.

Bigdumogre · 03-05-2021, 06:22 AM

I agree with everyone itt. I have always had flowmasters because I love the sound. The drone really Isent that bad and tolerable. I do get a lot of complaints on the sound, I wish one day I can hear it myself from the outside. My wife is scared to drive it and have been trying to make her do a drive by so I can hear it lol.

PaulsSS · 03-05-2021, 06:30 AM

There was a time they were calling them Slowmasters reportedly because they hurt performance. I had them on and the car ran great.

Bigdumogre · 03-05-2021, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulsSS

There was a time they were calling them Slowmasters reportedly because they hurt performance. I had them on and the car ran great.

Is there any proof to that? That’s what I’m wondering

Lablkv6z · 03-05-2021, 06:33 AM

I think the hate came from their original designed chambered mufflers. They sounded good on an otherwise stock setup but was not idea from a performance standpoint (restrictive).

Flowmaster does have straight though muffler options now though.

03-04-2021, 07:03 PM	#1
Bigdumogre Drives: 2012 Camaro SS Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: New York Posts: 1,434	Why all the Flowmaster hate? Every time I read something or watch a video and Flowmaster exhaust is mentioned they get tons of hate. Just watched last rpm video and they make jokes all the time like he lost 10 hp by using Flowmasters. Is there any truth to this? I know they drone (mine does) but I love their sound. It’s a true old school muscle car sound that I can’t find with any other companies. __________________ 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS - CSP Custom Cam 232/240 .615/.615 113 +3, Texas speed CNC heads, FTI billet triple disc converter, K&N cai, Katech ported TB, GPI Ported/rod modded manifold, Texas speed 1 7/8 headers, HFC, Flowmaster 2 chambers with x pipe, Mishimoto CC, MSD wires, Roto fab washer relocation, tru cool 40k trans cooler, apex scoop, Pedders extreme coil overs and much more!!

03-04-2021, 09:07 PM	#3
Avenging Orange Drives: 2010 Inferno Orange 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Clermont, IN Posts: 3,297	Always gonna be haters. __________________ 2010 Inferno Orange 2SS/RS M6 Black Leather, Sun Roof, OBX Headers, Borla touring axle back, Cold Air Inductions CAI , non synthetic fluids, BMR total bushing upgrade/1" lowering springs, DSE 32mm rear sway bar. GM fe4 shocks/struts/LCA's, AAM 3.91 diff, Vertini RFS1.8 20x9 +30. Conti ExtremeContact Sport 275/35/20. sjm autoprod ABL dash kit. Mike Norris tuned 413/419. Avenging Orange: 43 years of not buying into the Hype........and damn proud of it!! https://youtu.be/9JD9it6SmB8 https://youtu.be/xmelTlEzI34 KICKING CANCERS ASS SINCE 2015!!

03-04-2021, 11:46 PM	#6
InFiD3ViL Drives: 2010 CGM 2SS/RS LS3 Swapped A6 Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Spring Hill, FL Posts: 4,574	Meh, people love to bitch, and they love to hate on what's popular. There was a time when it seemed like everyone was running a Flowmaster muffler on their car or truck because they sounded so good, and also because they were easy to find and inexpensive. But then it got to a point where everyone's ride sounded the same. I love my Flowmasters and have only gotten positive comments on them. Flowmasters almost always sound great from the outside. But they really need to update their product line and maybe try and innovate some. I have seen little to no technology to help reduce or eliminate drone, which their exhaust systems greatly suffer from. They don't call them 'DroneMasters' for nothing! But I have tolerated it because they sound so damned good. As for actual flow? I have never had an issue with FMs not flowing well. That goes for their 2 and 3 chamber mufflers, as well as my nearly straight through FM Outlaw mufflers. Most issues with exhaust flow could probably be avoided by doing a little research and taking the time to properly match the muffler and exhaust type/size with your power level. All that said, I still stick with my first point. __________________ 2010 CGM Camaro 2SS LS3 Swapped A6 - GPI LS3 SS1 .647/.638, (224/237, 112 +4, 7º overlap) on CamMotion 8620 core, BTR Platinum .660" Dual Spring kit w/titanium retainers, CHE bronze trunnion upgrade, stock heads milled @ .015, Melling HV 10296 oil pump, TSP 1-7/8" long tube headers (W/Catless Off-road Pipes), Corsa Xtreme 3" Catback, GPI Ported/Rod Mod Intake, Stage 2 Ported Throttle Body, Vararam OTR CAI, Mike Norris Gen 2 catch can + GM 1LE clean side separator, 160º thermostat - Megan Racing adjustable coilovers (lowered 1.75"), MRR M017 10/11" wheels-Tuned by Ryan @ GPI

03-05-2021, 06:21 AM	#9
morepowerjoe Drives: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro l99 Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 2,103	When you guys talk about drone, are you talking about the sound the l99 makes when it goes in the 4 cylinder mode or something else? __________________ DSS FX Forged Pistons, Eagle ESP L19 Forged Rods, ARP Head and Main Studs, TSP PRC 260 CNC Ported Heads milled .030, Cometic .040 Head Gaskets, GPI SS3 VVT Camshaft, GM Performance Racing Lifters, CHE Trunnions , Molly Pushrods, Melling 10355HV Oil Pump, Cold Air Inductions CAI, Fast LSXR Intake Manifold, Nick Williams 103 TB, TSP 1 7/8" Longtubes with 3" TSP Exhaust, ZL1 Fuel Pump, Mishimoto Radiator, Mishimoto Oil Cooler, Tru Cool 40k Tranny Cooler, 3600 Circle D Converter, Fluid Dynamics Balancer Build Thread https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=609817

03-05-2021, 06:21 AM	#10
RupertPupkin Drives: 2014 Camaro SS 1Le Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: IL Posts: 1,591	Loved my flow master super 40s paired up with a cat back when I had my G8. I then went FBO set up with Super 10s, and it sounded like shit. Needs to be the right set up or it’ll sound raspy. __________________ 2014 SS 1LE Money Pit/ Forged 402 CAM 22X/24X, .619/.617, 113 LSA/ LS9 Heads FIC 1200cc/DSX Aux Pump//McLeod RXT Clutch 730whp: 630Trq

03-04-2021, 11:43 PM	#5
MericanMuscle Drives: Chevy Camaro SS Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Utah Posts: 11	The drone is probably the main contributor to the hate. Honestly don’t care what others think is “cool” or “crap” for a car. You do what works for you and fits your budget and don’t let the haters get under your skin.

03-04-2021, 11:57 PM	#7
redcoats1976 Drives: LT W/2LT,blue metallic Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: central florida Posts: 4,915	ran some pretty loud headers/duals/cherry bombs on a big block pontiac along with 3 years in the army on tank gunneries.as i sit here typing i hear a ringing in my ears like a thousand cicadas.protect your ears or you will pay the price...but its your hearing and your choice.

03-05-2021, 06:22 AM	#11
Bigdumogre Drives: 2012 Camaro SS Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: New York Posts: 1,434	I agree with everyone itt. I have always had flowmasters because I love the sound. The drone really Isent that bad and tolerable. I do get a lot of complaints on the sound, I wish one day I can hear it myself from the outside. My wife is scared to drive it and have been trying to make her do a drive by so I can hear it lol. __________________ 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS - CSP Custom Cam 232/240 .615/.615 113 +3, Texas speed CNC heads, FTI billet triple disc converter, K&N cai, Katech ported TB, GPI Ported/rod modded manifold, Texas speed 1 7/8 headers, HFC, Flowmaster 2 chambers with x pipe, Mishimoto CC, MSD wires, Roto fab washer relocation, tru cool 40k trans cooler, apex scoop, Pedders extreme coil overs and much more!!

03-05-2021, 06:30 AM	#12
PaulsSS Drives: 15SS Camaro Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: US Posts: 345	There was a time they were calling them Slowmasters reportedly because they hurt performance. I had them on and the car ran great.

03-05-2021, 06:33 AM	#14
Lablkv6z Drives: 2000 Camaro SS, 1966 Mustang Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Louisiana Posts: 81	I think the hate came from their original designed chambered mufflers. They sounded good on an otherwise stock setup but was not idea from a performance standpoint (restrictive). Flowmaster does have straight though muffler options now though. __________________ LS3 Block (427CI) Forged Manley 4.1" crank T-Rod modded LS3 intake (by me) Ported 821 heads (by me) TSP cam 243/255 .621/.619 111 LSA HP tuners pro (by me) https://www.smokingasphalt.com/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR-...cEEQ4y_YaXMD6Q