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HAMBO · 01-23-2014, 05:07 PM

Thinking about getting headers. In California those are the only two headers that are legal. Any experience with either of them? Preferences?

Hoping to avoid a thread of 'get LTs', but if anyone feels strongly that shorties are indeed a waste of money, that feedback would be good to know as well.

Thanks!

mikeyg36 · 01-23-2014, 05:13 PM

They're a waste of money, but if you insist on them I'd go ARH. You're better off getting the LTs and just removing them for smog.

HAMBO · 01-23-2014, 05:14 PM

The ARHs seem quite a bit more expensive (~$1,075 vs $675 for JBA). Any idea why?

ModBargains · 01-23-2014, 05:36 PM

I believe ARH is made in the US and JBA isn't.

mikeyg36 · 01-23-2014, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ModBargains

I believe ARH is made in the US and JBA isn't.

This. The JBAs probably aren't 304L stainless, which means that they rust.

Apex Motorsports · 01-23-2014, 06:17 PM

No question, ARH. Higher quality and stronger gains. Then bolt up a set of Solo high flow cats behind them.

HAMBO · 01-23-2014, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Apex Chase

No question, ARH. Higher quality and stronger gains. Then bolt up a set of Solo high flow cats behind them.

Alas, fairly certain Solo cats aren't CA-legal, but would be happy to be proven wrong on that. Any measurable gains for ARHs sans high flow cats? Maybe 5-10 hp?

Does ceramic coating offered on the JBAs bridge the gap? Price I quoted was for titanium or silver coated I think.

mikeyg36 · 01-23-2014, 06:45 PM

Coating will not add any HP and will not fix the issues of the cheaper stainless on the JBAs. Go ARH LTs or ARH shorties.

A.R. Headers · 01-23-2014, 06:47 PM

Guys, Our shorties are far more equal length, have merge collectors with scavenger spikes besides being 50 State Legal. They are 304 S/S and will last indefinitely. They also come with ARH spark plug sox and Grade 8 hardware. We were awarded a US Patent for the unique design.

For those that aren't aware, we also have 3" downpipes with our 49 State Legal cats that are a direct fit to your catback. ARH is not in the business of offering anything that's "a waste of time". Our shorties make considerable power and torque over stock or we wouldn't offer them. If you're in an area where you have to be legal, we believe this is the single best option when only the best will do. Feel free to PM or call me with any questions. Thanks.

Nick
631-608-1986

DieselMD @ Futral · 01-23-2014, 07:18 PM

We put a set of arh shorties on a tt 2010 and they are a work of art. Very nice for a shorty header.

mikeyg36 · 01-23-2014, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselMD

We put a set of arh shorties on a tt 2010 and they are a work of art. Very nice for a shorty header.

Everything ARH makes is a work of art.

DieselMD @ Futral · 01-23-2014, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyg36

Everything ARH makes is a work of art.

Trust me, I know. We have a set on our personal car and I've installed dozens of them. Their quality is top notch and make great power.

rontammy0 · 01-23-2014, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HAMBO

Thinking about getting headers. In California those are the only two headers that are legal. Any experience with either of them? Preferences?

Hoping to avoid a thread of 'get LTs', but if anyone feels strongly that shorties are indeed a waste of money, that feedback would be good to know as well.

Thanks!

See padres build thread on shorty headers...he has experience with them. He had jbas and says they work great.

Apex Motorsports · 01-24-2014, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeyg36

Everything ARH makes is a work of art.

Definitely good stuff.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HAMBO

Alas, fairly certain Solo cats aren't CA-legal, but would be happy to be proven wrong on that. Any measurable gains for ARHs sans high flow cats? Maybe 5-10 hp?

Does ceramic coating offered on the JBAs bridge the gap? Price I quoted was for titanium or silver coated I think.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyg36

Coating will not add any HP and will not fix the issues of the cheaper stainless on the JBAs. Go ARH LTs or ARH shorties.

This. Coating will help cover up some issues but it can't fix design. Solo cats help but they are not deal breakers. You should see 10+ rwhp with the ARH shorties alone.

01-23-2014, 05:07 PM	#1
HAMBO Drives: Supercharged 2013 AGM 2SS/RS Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 786	Shorty headers: ARH vs. JBA? Thinking about getting headers. In California those are the only two headers that are legal. Any experience with either of them? Preferences? Hoping to avoid a thread of 'get LTs', but if anyone feels strongly that shorties are indeed a waste of money, that feedback would be good to know as well. Thanks! __________________ 2013 AGM 2SS/RS SLP TVS2300, Edge CAI, 3" Magnaflow catback, BC Racing BR series coilovers, HRE FF15's (20x10 square) with Michelin Pilot Sport 4S's, GM STB, BMR front and rear sway bars and toe links, Prothane subframe bushings and front control arm inserts, JDP rear upper control arm bushings, Elite Engineering catch can. Tuned by Cunningham Motorsports. 1967 Bolero Red 396 SS/RS Convertible

01-23-2014, 05:14 PM	#3
HAMBO Drives: Supercharged 2013 AGM 2SS/RS Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 786	The ARHs seem quite a bit more expensive (~$1,075 vs $675 for JBA). Any idea why? __________________ 2013 AGM 2SS/RS SLP TVS2300, Edge CAI, 3" Magnaflow catback, BC Racing BR series coilovers, HRE FF15's (20x10 square) with Michelin Pilot Sport 4S's, GM STB, BMR front and rear sway bars and toe links, Prothane subframe bushings and front control arm inserts, JDP rear upper control arm bushings, Elite Engineering catch can. Tuned by Cunningham Motorsports. 1967 Bolero Red 396 SS/RS Convertible

01-23-2014, 05:13 PM	#2
mikeyg36 Drives: 2015 Z/28 #533 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: NY Posts: 6,731	They're a waste of money, but if you insist on them I'd go ARH. You're better off getting the LTs and just removing them for smog.

01-23-2014, 05:36 PM	#4
ModBargains Drives: Camaro RS/SS, 996TT, E90 335i Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: 1721 E. Lambert Rd. Unit C, La Habra, Ca 90631 Posts: 592	I believe ARH is made in the US and JBA isn't.

01-23-2014, 06:17 PM	#6
Apex Motorsports Drives: 2000 Camaro SS Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Louisville, Ky. Posts: 25,179	No question, ARH. Higher quality and stronger gains. Then bolt up a set of Solo high flow cats behind them.

01-23-2014, 06:45 PM	#8
mikeyg36 Drives: 2015 Z/28 #533 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: NY Posts: 6,731	Coating will not add any HP and will not fix the issues of the cheaper stainless on the JBAs. Go ARH LTs or ARH shorties.

01-23-2014, 06:47 PM	#9
A.R. Headers Drives: Pontiac G8 GT Join Date: May 2009 Location: new york Posts: 263	Guys, Our shorties are far more equal length, have merge collectors with scavenger spikes besides being 50 State Legal. They are 304 S/S and will last indefinitely. They also come with ARH spark plug sox and Grade 8 hardware. We were awarded a US Patent for the unique design. For those that aren't aware, we also have 3" downpipes with our 49 State Legal cats that are a direct fit to your catback. ARH is not in the business of offering anything that's "a waste of time". Our shorties make considerable power and torque over stock or we wouldn't offer them. If you're in an area where you have to be legal, we believe this is the single best option when only the best will do. Feel free to PM or call me with any questions. Thanks. Nick 631-608-1986

01-23-2014, 07:18 PM	#10
DieselMD @ Futral Drives: G8 Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: La Posts: 110	We put a set of arh shorties on a tt 2010 and they are a work of art. Very nice for a shorty header.