No-Lift Shift Feature?

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by DjD

Why call it a crutch? Nobody is perfect...

Because it is. Right or wrong, that's what it is. A person can't shift properly, so he/she craves no-lift-shift, or rev-match to compensate.

Originally Posted by DjD

If we only used things as they were designed it would stiffle creativity...I don't think that's true at all. Not using things in the way they were designed to be used can have catastrophic consequences at worst -- and breeds ignorance of proper usage at best. If you need an item for a specific purpose and it doesn't exist -- you invent it. Otherwise, we may as well use hammers to pound in screws....eventually it'll work.........

Hotrodding would have never gotten started, you would not see LS engines in 1st gen Camaros etc, both the LT and LS engines were designed for the Corvette and got transplanted into the Camaro. I have a friend that used an aluminum cake pan as an air-cleaner base and it was featured in PHR magazine.
What you're describing here is a completely different topic altogether. Hotrodding spawned out of people wanting to change things on the cars and so they built the new parts and pieces to do so, specifically. As for your friend -- that's cool. It show's he's innovative. But I hardly think it's the ideal part to use for that purpose.

[DjD]

Ok if you say so....

[cmiller8006]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Agreed. Using the No-lift shift as a crutch isn't what it was designed for, imo.

Then what it is designed for? It's designed so you can no lift shift.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by cmiller8006

Then what it is designed for? It's designed so you can no lift shift.

Originally Posted by Me...up there (^)

The purpose of no-lift-shift is to keep the turbo spooled.

...and the way it works would be near-useless on a N/A car. To improve shift times and acceleration/quarter mile times, you'd want something more like Nissan's rev-matching system in concert with GM's launch control.

[Mr Twisty]

no lift shift won't help with missed gears... If you want to take away all the control and give it to the ecm you might as well get the auto.

[cmiller8006]

keep thinking it won't work. It would do wonders over having to lift on a NA car. Makes the car more consistant then ever, you don't have to lift, therefore just hit the clutch and go. Have you ever seen a drive by wire cars log? On the camaro it's not as bad as my Balt but still takes .5-1.0 seconds just for the throttle to fully open after going WOT. Imagine if you don't have that delay. Dragoneye, you just don't know what your talking about.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by cmiller8006

keep thinking it won't work. It would do wonders over having to lift on a NA car. Makes the car more consistant then ever, you don't have to lift, therefore just hit the clutch and go. Have you ever seen a drive by wire cars log? On the camaro it's not as bad as my Balt but still takes .5-1.0 seconds just for the throttle to fully open after going WOT. Imagine if you don't have that delay. Dragoneye, you just don't know what your talking about.

Fine...I don't. Doesn't change the fact I don't think it'd help a bit compared with some practice....

Originally Posted by EnvyTerra

Are automatic transmissions a crutch as well?

No, they are a lead weight... What is this?

[Mr Twisty]

Dragon, you're a trouble maker. if you don't stop I'm gonna tell a mod

I know an auto is consistent blahblahblah, but he's right, manual shifting is apparently becoming a lost art.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by EnvyTerra

I was just making a comparison lol if a no lift feature is a crutch, isn't a car that shifts for you a crutch as well? failed humor

Sorry for twitching a little.

I think the automatic would be more like a hover-round, then...

[Mr Twisty]

There's some good manual shifting in the Lingenfelter 9 second run.

[El Chorizo]

The stock ECU will pull TPS by default so you can "powershift" safely. In fact, I want to disable it but for most people it will work perfect as is.

[PnCRedJwl2SS]

Originally Posted by El Chorizo

The stock ECU will pull TPS by default so you can "powershift" safely. In fact, I want to disable it but for most people it will work perfect as is.

This sounds interesting...can you put more specifics (in laymen's terms) for us noobs who are trying to learn more?

[El Chorizo]

Originally Posted by PnCRedJwl2SS

This sounds interesting...can you put more specifics (in laymen's terms) for us noobs who are trying to learn more?

Powershift - Shifting without lifting the throttle. This means that you hold your foot WOT the entire "run" and quickly stab the clutch while shifting at the same time.

Typically you will get a slight RPM surge while this happens in a regular car as even if you are good and fast there is a brief period of the clutch being depressed where the RPM's will increase.

In the Camaro, the ECU detects the clutch press and electronically starts to close the throttle.

All of this happens very quickly and makes it much easier on your drivetrain/safer to perform on the Camaro for learning.

It's still quicker then standard shifting and you get the ECU to kind of protect you from over-revving.


If you have HP Tuners, you can run a log of you trying it and despite holding down your throttle take a look at the TPS and RPM and you'll see the ECU working it's magic during the clutch presses.

[PnCRedJwl2SS]

Originally Posted by El Chorizo

Powershift - Shifting without lifting the throttle. This means that you hold your foot WOT the entire "run" and quickly stab the clutch while shifting at the same time.

Typically you will get a slight RPM surge while this happens in a regular car as even if you are good and fast there is a brief period of the clutch being depressed where the RPM's will increase.

In the Camaro, the ECU detects the clutch press and electronically starts to close the throttle.

All of this happens very quickly and makes it much easier on your drivetrain/safer to perform on the Camaro for learning.

It's still quicker then standard shifting and you get the ECU to kind of protect you from over-revving.


If you have HP Tuners, you can run a log of you trying it and despite holding down your throttle take a look at the TPS and RPM and you'll see the ECU working it's magic during the clutch presses.

Hi El Chorizo...thanks...I should have been more specific with my question (I'm familiar with how power shifting works--I actually started this thread!). What I found interesting was your information about how "The stock ECU will pull TPS by default so you can "powershift" safely."

How do you know this...is it documented in the manual or other GM offerings? Not doubting you...I just like to have the source, so when I tell my LS3 driver friends, they will feel confident that they have factual information.