[oldman]

I'd be tempted at 13K plus my ride. I agree with the look and sound, and at my age that is all I really car for, I find that my autoX skills are on decline because of my depth perception. I got turned off on the 350 because of the stuck-up Ford dealer and the unreasonable markup. I rather be a pleb with a chevy the deal with the snobbery and additional markup of the 350... 2nd hand at a reasonable price... maybe !
Great write up... still want one..

[Bosse'sBoss]

I strongly believe that the 6th gen Camaro SS1LE would have a faster lap at the track compared to the Shelby GT350 (non R), but no car magazine/web has dared to compare them, probably keeping the GT350 reputation from being destroyed for a lower cost vehicle that is better. Chevys Alpha chassis should be superior compared to the Shelby's.

[Bosse'sBoss]

Hi Guys,

Here I share you some laps from the Willow Springs track:
- it shows neck to neck the GT350 R! VS the Camaro SS1LE. Awsome lap times from the Camaro
-Also shows the Camaro ZL1 on top of the Corvette GS and very close to the Viper ACR time.
-At MT figure 8 track the Camaro SS1LE lapped faster compared to the Shelby Gt350 (non R)

On the other screen picture it shows the BMW M4 VS the Camaro SS very close lap time at the Streets of willow. MT gave all around first place to the Camaro SS.

Way to go Camaro 6th gen too many wins in your pocket.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

Hi Guys,

Here I share you some laps from the Willow Springs track:
- it shows neck to neck the GT350 R! VS the Camaro SS1LE. Awsome lap times from the Camaro
-Also shows the Camaro ZL1 on top of the Corvette GS and very close to the Viper ACR time.
-At MT figure 8 track the Camaro SS1LE lapped faster compared to the Shelby Gt350 (non R)

On the other screen picture it shows the BMW M4 VS the Camaro SS very close lap time at the Streets of willow. MT gave all around first place to the Camaro SS.

Way to go Camaro 6th gen too many wins in your pocket.

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If you are going to post this I will counter with C&Ds Lightning Lap results where is shows the SS 1LE to be significantly slower than the GT350R, so please stop the nonsense.

GT350R - 2:51.8
SS1LE - 2:54.8
GTPP2 - 2:53.8

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by newmoon

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If you are going to post this I will counter with C&Ds Lightning Lap results where is shows the SS 1LE to be significantly slower than the GT350R, so please stop the nonsense.

GT350R - 2:51.8
SS1LE - 2:54.8
GTPP2 - 2:53.8

Not too many that actually consider the 1LE to be on par with a 350R. But a regular 350? Sure

I see no reason to believe that the 350 would be much if any faster than the 1LE or the PP2 in your times posted above. Unfortunately, there are no good comparisons out there.

[BlaqWhole]

I think that depending on the track and conditions a SLE could possibly for sure keep up with or manage to beat a GT350R. If a track favors the powerband and low end torque of pushrod engines and the superior Camaro chassis then it is definitely possible. How else could it match the R's time. Unless different day different conditions can account for more than 3-5 tenths of a second then it is possible. People still wanna think that the R can beat a ZL1 despite it being 4 tenths of a second slower. One such person was commenting on some stupid video in which some dude in a GT350R goes around a dude in a ZL1 on a track. Despite different driver skill sets they chose to believe it. So in like manner, a SLE depending on the track COULD beat a GT350R and can definitely smack around a non-R.

[Bosse'sBoss]

Yes checking MT lap times, the ZL1 is faster than a GT350R.
Without the Carbon fiber wheels, carbon brakes and cup tires of the R. The Shelby Gt350 would be easily beaten by the Camaro SS1LE or the Corvette Stingray Z51. Nothing special there besides the strong exhaust noise and no power below 4000 rpm. I test drove a Shelby GT350 (non R) and compared it with my previous 5th. gen Camaro ZL1 and my actual Stingray Z51 and wasn't impressed at all by the GT350 besides the glorious exhaust noise at 8000 rpm. It had a $ 10-15k on top of MSRP, not worth it, instead I bought my Stingray Z51. Also GT350 owners are complaining very much about oil disappearing from their cars.
Probably the Shelby GT500 would be better, let's see how it goes against the Camaro ZL1, that would be a good one to see.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

Yes checking MT lap times, the ZL1 is faster than a GT350R.
Without the Carbon fiber wheels, carbon brakes and cup tires of the R. The Shelby Gt350 would be easily beaten by the Camaro SS1LE or the Corvette Stingray Z51. Nothing special there besides the strong exhaust noise and no power below 4000 rpm. I test drove a Shelby GT350 (non R) and compared it with my previous 5th. gen Camaro ZL1 and my actual Stingray Z51 and wasn't impressed at all by the GT350 besides the glorious exhaust noise at 8000 rpm. It had a $ 10-15k on top of MSRP, not worth it, instead I bought my Stingray Z51. Also GT350 owners are complaining very much about oil disappearing from their cars.
Probably the Shelby GT500 would be better, let's see how it goes against the Camaro ZL1, that would be a good one to see.

How do you arrive at this theory. The GTPP2 was faster than the 1LE in the LL, and I would guess a 16 GT350 with TP, or a 17 and up GT350 would be faster than a PP2, maybe I am wrong.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by newmoon

How do you arrive at this theory. The GTPP2 was faster than the 1LE in the LL, and I would guess a 16 GT350 with TP, or a 17 and up GT350 would be faster than a PP2, maybe I am wrong.

You seem to hold LL times as the all authority of lap times. The LL times are by different drivers you know. The other track times where the 1LE is near 350R times were done by same driver. Big difference.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

You seem to hold LL times as the all authority of lap times. The LL times are by different drivers you know. The other track times where the 1LE is near 350R times were done by same driver. Big difference.

I would argue that the LL is much more representative of the performance of the vehicle, as multiple drivers get the opportunity to try the vehicle over multiple days and conditions, the best time stands.

But hey we will rule out any LL results from the past and future unless the Camaro comes out on top

[Bosse'sBoss]

Originally Posted by newmoon

How do you arrive at this theory. The GTPP2 was faster than the 1LE in the LL, and I would guess a 16 GT350 with TP, or a 17 and up GT350 would be faster than a PP2, maybe I am wrong.

Yes the mustang with the pp2 was faster but with race tires, fit the same tires to the SS1LE, then would be bye bye mustang, since the Camaro has better chassis to explore the curves with only street summer tires. Besides of it the PP2 mustang wasn't perfected for the track, because it only last a couple of laps in the track for showing up and immediately overheats the rear, Ford knows about this handicap.
Also the first GT350 sold without the track package were overheating at the track and ford wasn't covering their warranty for being raced. Just the facts I'm not a brand fan.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

I would argue that the LL is much more representative of the performance of the vehicle, as multiple drivers get the opportunity to try the vehicle over multiple days and conditions, the best time stands.

But hey we will rule out any LL results from the past and future unless the Camaro comes out on top

That wasn't what he was saying. LL results are all over the place because there are different drivers of different skills. Heck I could be one of those drivers. The other track results are the best that a particular driver could get out of the car. So if you want to know the best potential of each car, then LL results would not matter and would not be the go to. We're talking about the best potential of the GT350 (R and non-R) and the SLE. In which case I do think that on some tracks that favor the power band of the pushrod LT1 over the Voodoo engine, the SLE would be able to match the GT350R. Not every track. But certainly some tracks.

Originally Posted by newmoon

How do you arrive at this theory. The GTPP2 was faster than the 1LE in the LL, and I would guess a 16 GT350 with TP, or a 17 and up GT350 would be faster than a PP2, maybe I am wrong.

It is plain obvious that Ford handicapped the GTPP2 so that it wouldn't beat the GT350. The sad thing is that everyone kept saying that Shelby owners don't care about performance and that to them they don't mind if the GT is faster. Yet the PP2 got handicapped so that it would not be able to beat the GT350 at anything and the standard GT and GTPP don't have a suspension good enough to beat the GT350 around a track. So the opposite is true. Shelby owners would have been in an uproar if the car they spent all that money on lost to a GT not only in the quarter mile but also around a track. The S550 GT in any fashion will never eclipse the levels set by the 15 GT350 except for the A10 versions in the quarter mile.

But to go back to your statement, the GTPP2 won't beat a GT350 on any track because it also has a DOHC engine with less output than the GT350. However the SLE has a much different powerplant and on tracks that favor it, it will beat a PP2, a standard GT350, and it'll keep up with or match the GT350R.

[Laststandard]

Originally Posted by newmoon

I would argue that the LL is much more representative of the performance of the vehicle, as multiple drivers get the opportunity to try the vehicle over multiple days and conditions, the best time stands.

But hey we will rule out any LL results from the past and future unless the Camaro comes out on top

You do know the same argument comes from the Mustang guys when the Camaro does win, right? Not the same day / track conditions / temp / moon cycle...

[Laststandard]

Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

Yes the mustang with the pp2 was faster but with race tires, fit the same tires to the SS1LE, then would be bye bye mustang, since the Camaro has better chassis to explore the curves with only street summer tires. Besides of it the PP2 mustang wasn't perfected for the track, because it only last a couple of laps in the track for showing up and immediately overheats the rear, Ford knows about this handicap.
Also the first GT350 sold without the track package were overheating at the track and ford wasn't covering their warranty for being raced. Just the facts I'm not a brand fan.

Actually it's been said a few times on here that the Sport Cup 2's aren't much of an improvement over the SC3 that comes on the 1LE. The SC3 may have a 200tw rating but I think they're a bit of a ringer tire.