Car and driver lightning lap 2018 - Page 3

Bhobbs · 09-20-2018, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

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No but they built a really fast GT which nobody in this forum ever expected to be able to run faster laps than a 1LE. The 1LE has enjoyed a monster tire/grip advantage for the past 5-6 years, that is no longer the case.

There’s an easy solution to that issue.

Take the ZL1 1LE wheels, tires, brakes, suspension and aero, slap it on an SS and call it the 2LE.

Bhobbs · 09-20-2018, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by hotlap

What’s all the fuss about? It over heats. Consistently. It’s not even a track car.

-> Puts 305 Cup 2s on the car
-> Says it’s not a track car

TRZ06 · 09-20-2018, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

There’s an easy solution to that issue.

Take the ZL1 1LE wheels, tires, brakes, suspension and aero, slap it on an SS and call it the 2LE.

Wheels, tires, and brakes are almost a wash when comparing the SS 1LE and the ZL1 1LE already.

The SS 1LE can do 1.1g and the ZL1 1LE does 1.15ish g's, the brakes are VERY similar.

The real differences are in the solid rear cradle bushing, DSSV shocks that are also hard mounted, and aero, from a handling perspective.

Gunkk · 09-20-2018, 06:18 PM

4 cyl camaro beats the 4 cylinder mustang by TEN SECONDS!!!

KMPrenger · 09-20-2018, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

Add the above tires excuse to your list.
Amazing ha

That's what you got out of my post??

Ok then.

"Amazing" indeed.

R.C. Collins · 09-21-2018, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

apparently you can make up for 4000yrs of chassis development in 6 months in 2018...

A set of Cup 2's will do that to any car. I would like to see the SS 1LE and GT PP2 raced on the same day, same driver, same fuel, same rubber. Only then will the result be irrefutable.

BlaqWhole · 09-21-2018, 07:14 PM

Here is MT's testing of the PP2. It came in 0.65 secs behind the 1LE and 0.3 seconds behind in the figure 8.

"Although our Best Driver's Car competition is by no means a numbers game, the 2018 Mustang GT Perf Pack 2 really needed to smack down its archnemesis, the Camaro SS 1LE that finished fourth here in 2016. The Mustang, unfortunately, missed that bogey, subjectively and objectively.

First the objective: A lap-time gap of 0.65 second at WeatherTech Raceway Laguna Seca is a lifetime. It even trails the Chevy by 0.3 second on our tiny figure-eight course. Time lost between the corners as a result of the Mustang's 35-lb-ft torque deficit is easily forgiven for its fabulous soundtrack."

Link:
https://www.motortrend.com/news/ford...car-contender/

metros11 · 09-21-2018, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

Adding a differencial cooler shouldn't really be an issue now as the PP2 will not pose a threat to the improved GT350.

How's so? It's already running numbers as close as the GT350. The R is a different car.

Credit to Ford for finally one upping the SS 1LE with a GT PP2. I'm still certain head to head the SS 1LE will come out a winner, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

The one question I have, if the PP2 is not really a track car, what exactly is it's purpose?

BlaqWhole · 09-21-2018, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by metros11

How's so? It's already running numbers as close as the GT350. The R is a different car.

Credit to Ford for finally one upping the SS 1LE with a GT PP2. I'm still certain head to head the SS 1LE will come out a winner, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

The one question I have, if the PP2 is not really a track car, what exactly is it's purpose?

I just posted info and a link to the GT PP2 being tested and coming short of the SS 1LE's times...lol!! It is literally the post right above yours.

Mountain · 09-22-2018, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by metros11

How's so? It's already running numbers as close as the GT350. The R is a different car.

Credit to Ford for finally one upping the SS 1LE with a GT PP2. I'm still certain head to head the SS 1LE will come out a winner, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

The one question I have, if the PP2 is not really a track car, what exactly is it's purpose?

According to Ford, it is to be a package that offers a more engaging experience in cornering capabilities on the street, upped from the PP1. Which it does... with a bunch of track-specific design and development. But it's not a track car...

Bosse'sBoss · 09-22-2018, 07:31 AM

The Camaro SS1LE easily beats the Mustang GT PP2 at Laguna Seca, even that the 1LE rides street tires VS the Mustang PP2 that has cheating tires. Also Randy Pobst and the MT team mentioned that the 1LE is a better balanced sport car compared to the Mustang PP2 erratical behavior which also overheats its rear differential. At Laguna Seca it was the other way around 1:38.42 VS 1:37.78 in favor of the Camaro. Even at Willow Springs the SS1LE matches the Shelby GT350R lap times at 1:28.29, again the 1LE in street tires VS the Shelby in track cup tires. This shows that the Camaro chasis is superior to the Mustang's and even would give a strong track battle fight to his older brother the Corvette.

newmoon · 09-22-2018, 07:48 AM

Funny how many in here wanted to see the PP2 in this Lightning Lap with the hopeful anticipation of a poor showing. Well that didn't happen it solidly beat the 1LEs time. Your just going to have to deal with it the same way you have to deal with the A10 GT is faster than the SS in 0-60, 1/4, and top end.

13vertss · 09-22-2018, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

Funny how many in here wanted to see the PP2 in this Lightning Lap with the hopeful anticipation of a poor showing. Well that didn't happen it solidly beat the 1LEs time. Your just going to have to deal with it the same way you have to deal with the A10 GT is faster than the SS in 0-60, 1/4, and top end.

The z28 was faster then the R.

the LL is far from real world results. Look at the videos of the 1le and PP2 and see there were different drivers. Right there will void results. Look at the R, z28 and 1le videos, you see same driver, just different years.

FastCarFanBoy · 09-22-2018, 09:28 AM

even same day, same driver the results can vary substantially based on what time of the day the runs were made, hence the reason Mero and the Chevy team were asking to run the ZR1 in the morning at VIR.

The 1LE and PP2 are likely so close in terms of power, braking and handling that they will trade wins at different tracks or even at same tracks if run in different conditions.

09-22-2018, 07:31 AM	#39
Bosse'sBoss Drives: '16 Camaro SS 6 spd manual transm. Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: RGV Texas Posts: 1,463	The Camaro SS1LE easily beats the Mustang GT PP2 at Laguna Seca, even that the 1LE rides street tires VS the Mustang PP2 that has cheating tires. Also Randy Pobst and the MT team mentioned that the 1LE is a better balanced sport car compared to the Mustang PP2 erratical behavior which also overheats its rear differential. At Laguna Seca it was the other way around 1:38.42 VS 1:37.78 in favor of the Camaro. Even at Willow Springs the SS1LE matches the Shelby GT350R lap times at 1:28.29, again the 1LE in street tires VS the Shelby in track cup tires. This shows that the Camaro chasis is superior to the Mustang's and even would give a strong track battle fight to his older brother the Corvette. __________________ '16 Camaro SS Prior cars: '14 Corvette C7 Stingray Z51 '14 Camaro ZL1 w/. Recaro seats '11 Mustang GT 5.0 w. track package '02 Porsche 911 Carrera '05 Infiniti G35 coupe sport

09-22-2018, 07:48 AM	#40
newmoon Drives: 2019 GT350 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: NC Posts: 3,232	Funny how many in here wanted to see the PP2 in this Lightning Lap with the hopeful anticipation of a poor showing. Well that didn't happen it solidly beat the 1LEs time. Your just going to have to deal with it the same way you have to deal with the A10 GT is faster than the SS in 0-60, 1/4, and top end. __________________ 2019 GT350 RR 2013 Boss Mustang 2012 SRT Challenger 392 auto 12:40s 112 stock 2012 Ford Mustang 5.0. Brembo, 3:73s 2010 SS, LS3, Cammed, LTs, 12:20s 2004 Redfire Cobra, Pullied & Tuned 1986 GT, Ed Curtis 347ci, 11:20s motor. 10:30s 100-hp shot

09-20-2018, 06:18 PM	#32
Gunkk Thank you Al Oppenheiser! Drives: Red Hot A10 ZL1 Convertible Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 4,973 View My Garage	4 cyl camaro beats the 4 cylinder mustang by TEN SECONDS!!!

09-21-2018, 07:14 PM	#35
BlaqWhole Account Suspended Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10 Join Date: May 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 7,692	Here is MT's testing of the PP2. It came in 0.65 secs behind the 1LE and 0.3 seconds behind in the figure 8. "Although our Best Driver's Car competition is by no means a numbers game, the 2018 Mustang GT Perf Pack 2 really needed to smack down its archnemesis, the Camaro SS 1LE that finished fourth here in 2016. The Mustang, unfortunately, missed that bogey, subjectively and objectively. First the objective: A lap-time gap of 0.65 second at WeatherTech Raceway Laguna Seca is a lifetime. It even trails the Chevy by 0.3 second on our tiny figure-eight course. Time lost between the corners as a result of the Mustang's 35-lb-ft torque deficit is easily forgiven for its fabulous soundtrack." Link: https://www.motortrend.com/news/ford...car-contender/

09-22-2018, 09:28 AM	#42
FastCarFanBoy Banned Drives: 2013 GB GT Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Florida Posts: 954	even same day, same driver the results can vary substantially based on what time of the day the runs were made, hence the reason Mero and the Chevy team were asking to run the ZR1 in the morning at VIR. The 1LE and PP2 are likely so close in terms of power, braking and handling that they will trade wins at different tracks or even at same tracks if run in different conditions.

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