[huggercamaro21]

Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369

Ugh. Kill it with a hammer. Automagics don't belong on a track. Some cars just shouldn't be available to everyone. Some cars should only be available to people that can drive them properly

Im sure Ferrari feels the same way.........lol

[LesserO2Evils]

Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369

Ugh. Kill it with a hammer. Automagics don't belong on a track. Some cars just shouldn't be available to everyone. Some cars should only be available to people that can drive them properly

I think what Chico is saying is that REAL MEN play with sticks... Ill leave that open to interpretation.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by huggercamaro21

Im sure Ferrari feels the same way.........lol

Ferrari doesnt use automatics. They now use a true dual clutch that needs to be manually shifted for the best performance. It has instant manual shifts, unlike the torque converter based automatic used in the Camaro that will have a delay...

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

Ferrari doesnt use automatics. They now use a true dual clutch that needs to be manually shifted for the best performance. It has instant manual shifts, unlike the torque converter based automatic used in the Camaro that will have a delay...

Other than not having a TC and a few milliseconds difference in shift time, they are the same in terms of function. Which I believe is what he was trying to say. Regardless manual transmissions with clutch pedals are not present in many of best track cars today because of their performance hit.

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[ChocoTaco369]

Originally Posted by LesserO2Evils

I think what Chico is saying is that REAL MEN play with sticks... Ill leave that open to interpretation.

What I'm trying to say is that manual transmissions have always been and will continue to be vastly superior for the race track - every racing professional prefers them - and cars shouldn't have their credibility destroyed and the brand dumbed down because most people these days don't know how to operate a clutch. Too many things are ruined because it's brought down to the level of the lowest common denominator. Let the 1LE and don't disrespect it by putting a slushbox in it just to increase sales at the expense of its reputation.

[ChocoTaco369]

Originally Posted by huggercamaro21

Im sure Ferrari feels the same way.........lol

Did you watch the video on the first page? Listen to the first minute.

"Hey you with the goofy smile on your face: feel like crying? Well go visit your local car dealership because they're all full of cars with teensy turbos and boring automatics. They're sold with some BS marketing spiel that pulling a shift paddle is an involving emotional experience. Right. Here's a big orange middle finger to that load. This Mustang has a big naturally aspirated V8, a six speed that you shift yourself and rear wheel drive like God intended."

Nobody wants a car like a GT350 in an automatic. They'd only sell out of necessity and driver incompetence, and even then, they'd be secretly embarrassed every time someone looked inside their window asking them why they bought an automatic, creating some mix of excuses about a long commute in stop and go traffic and something about drag strips that they never go to.

Who cares what Ferrari feels? Hardly anyone buys a Ferrari, those that do buy for the brand recognition and not performance because Corvettes outperform Ferrari's and they're notoriously poorly built. They've gone paddle shifter because a lot of the wealthy soulless businessmen that can afford them have a non-functioning left foot while driving. Dumbing down, yo. I'd take this Mustang over any Ferrari...unless, of course, the end game is I can just sell the Ferrari, get the Mustang and keep the rest

[TheSpectre]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

Ferrari doesnt use automatics. They now use a true dual clutch that needs to be manually shifted for the best performance. It has instant manual shifts, unlike the torque converter based automatic used in the Camaro that will have a delay...

DCTs are autos. They can shift on their own if you leave them be.

[SpeedIsLife]

Oh give me a break!

Giving the automatic the 1LE option (and it is an option, not a model or trim) will not "degrade it's reputation" or "lower it to the lowest common denominator". It's a performance package that is focused on increasing grip, and in the 5th Gen, had a more road track focused gearing in the transmission and rear end.

The reason why you didn't see a track/performance pack in either the 5th Gen automatic or current 6th Gen Mustang automatics is because while very durable..they're not particularly fast in stock form. However the new 8 speed IS fast enough for "performance driving" or track work. The new Ford 10 speed might also be just as fast and durable.

I think the only reason some people want a car to remain MANUAL ONLY HURRADURR is to protect the fragile egos and some need for exclusivity. Want exclusivity? Go find a 911 GT3 RS and pay the 6 figures for it..not a mid $30,000 Camaro.

The only thing that offering the 1LE option package will do is bring more profits to GM, which is a good thing in an increasingly competitive market where GM finds itself facing foes on all sides. Just think how many people might be swayed to a 2017 A8 SS with the 1LE if if offers something the Mustang doesn't? Might not be much, but ever sale counts.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Oh give me a break!

Giving the automatic the 1LE option (and it is an option, not a model or trim) will not "degrade it's reputation" or "lower it to the lowest common denominator". It's a performance package that is focused on increasing grip, and in the 5th Gen, had a more road track focused gearing in the transmission and rear end.

The reason why you didn't see a track/performance pack in either the 5th Gen automatic or current 6th Gen Mustang automatics is because while very durable..they're not particularly fast in stock form. However the new 8 speed IS fast enough for "performance driving" or track work. The new Ford 10 speed might also be just as fast and durable.

I think the only reason some people want a car to remain MANUAL ONLY HURRADURR is to protect the fragile egos and some need for exclusivity. Want exclusivity? Go find a 911 GT3 RS and pay the 6 figures for it..not a mid $30,000 Camaro.

The only thing that offering the 1LE option package will do is bring more profits to GM, which is a good thing in an increasingly competitive market where GM finds itself facing foes on all sides. Just think how many people might be swayed to a 2017 A8 SS with the 1LE if if offers something the Mustang doesn't? Might not be much, but ever sale counts.

Agreed.

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[Sledgehammer70]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Oh give me a break!

Giving the automatic the 1LE option (and it is an option, not a model or trim) will not "degrade it's reputation" or "lower it to the lowest common denominator". It's a performance package that is focused on increasing grip, and in the 5th Gen, had a more road track focused gearing in the transmission and rear end.

The reason why you didn't see a track/performance pack in either the 5th Gen automatic or current 6th Gen Mustang automatics is because while very durable..they're not particularly fast in stock form. However the new 8 speed IS fast enough for "performance driving" or track work. The new Ford 10 speed might also be just as fast and durable.

I think the only reason some people want a car to remain MANUAL ONLY HURRADURR is to protect the fragile egos and some need for exclusivity. Want exclusivity? Go find a 911 GT3 RS and pay the 6 figures for it..not a mid $30,000 Camaro.

The only thing that offering the 1LE option package will do is bring more profits to GM, which is a good thing in an increasingly competitive market where GM finds itself facing foes on all sides. Just think how many people might be swayed to a 2017 A8 SS with the 1LE if if offers something the Mustang doesn't? Might not be much, but ever sale counts.

It's okay... ChocoTaco369 is apart of a dying breed. I will allow him to continue to drive behind me in his manual. Because when it comes down to it, none of us are professional drivers. Sure you can try to claim to be, but until you show me your professional race finishes, being manual or automatic means nothing. I choose not to drive a manual because I dislike them, not because I can't drive them. I don't need a stick in my hand to enjoy the driving experience.

And a special note to Mr. ChocoTaco369, Its one thing to have a view and another chastise anyone who doesn't agree with you. Slow your roll and take the chip off your shoulder.

[bybcous]

If an 1le is offered id be willing to trade up in 2019 for an automic version only though.

[ilirg]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Oh give me a break!

Giving the automatic the 1LE option (and it is an option, not a model or trim) will not "degrade it's reputation" or "lower it to the lowest common denominator". It's a performance package that is focused on increasing grip, and in the 5th Gen, had a more road track focused gearing in the transmission and rear end.

The reason why you didn't see a track/performance pack in either the 5th Gen automatic or current 6th Gen Mustang automatics is because while very durable..they're not particularly fast in stock form. However the new 8 speed IS fast enough for "performance driving" or track work. The new Ford 10 speed might also be just as fast and durable.

I think the only reason some people want a car to remain MANUAL ONLY HURRADURR is to protect the fragile egos and some need for exclusivity. Want exclusivity? Go find a 911 GT3 RS and pay the 6 figures for it..not a mid $30,000 Camaro.

The only thing that offering the 1LE option package will do is bring more profits to GM, which is a good thing in an increasingly competitive market where GM finds itself facing foes on all sides. Just think how many people might be swayed to a 2017 A8 SS with the 1LE if if offers something the Mustang doesn't? Might not be much, but ever sale counts.

Thank you.

If you don't like the auto, don't buy it! What's the point of whining like a little girl about it?

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Other than not having a TC and a few milliseconds difference in shift time, they are the same in terms of function. Which I believe is what he was trying to say. Regardless manual transmissions with clutch pedals are not present in many of best track cars today because of their performance hit.

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The Corvette Z06 is the only track car I can think of that uses a torque converter automatic, and it seems for good reason with the heat issues. Most cars use a dual clutch or stick.

[ChocoTaco369]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Oh give me a break!

Giving the automatic the 1LE option (and it is an option, not a model or trim) will not "degrade it's reputation" or "lower it to the lowest common denominator". It's a performance package that is focused on increasing grip, and in the 5th Gen, had a more road track focused gearing in the transmission and rear end.

It absolutely will degrade its reputation. What do you think the #1 complaints are from magazine reviews of cars like the GTR? It's the transmission. Same thing with the exotics. The push toward "paddle shifters" had quite the backlash, and they're starting to back-peddle.

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

The reason why you didn't see a track/performance pack in either the 5th Gen automatic or current 6th Gen Mustang automatics is because while very durable..they're not particularly fast in stock form. However the new 8 speed IS fast enough for "performance driving" or track work. The new Ford 10 speed might also be just as fast and durable.

Or maybe it's because if they had to offer an automatic transmission, they'd have to test the automatic transmission and they know it would damage the times. There's a reason why the 1LE and Z28 were manual only. When you have an SS that's largely only going to see drag strips, it's advantageous to have an automatic transmission option. You don't want to run a slushbox around the 'Ring.

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

I think the only reason some people want a car to remain MANUAL ONLY HURRADURR is to protect the fragile egos and some need for exclusivity. Want exclusivity? Go find a 911 GT3 RS and pay the 6 figures for it..not a mid $30,000 Camaro.

Guess what? If you want an automatic transmission, get the automatic transmission car. If you're going to actually buy a "TRACK READY" package, it shouldn't be an option. People that actually are taking it to a real track need a manual transmission - it is the most important "mod" to the car. You cannot have a "TRACK READY" car with an automatic transmission. That's like having a "TRACK READY" car with a constantly deployed parachute.

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

The only thing that offering the 1LE option package will do is bring more profits to GM, which is a good thing in an increasingly competitive market where GM finds itself facing foes on all sides. Just think how many people might be swayed to a 2017 A8 SS with the 1LE if if offers something the Mustang doesn't? Might not be much, but ever sale counts.

It absolutely will bring in more profits - can you imagine if these cars were only equipped with manual transmissions? Hardly anyone knows how to drive them. They'd sell only to a handful of drivers left on the road. Of course the base models need the automatic to sell. That, and to the handful of guys that will buy the car for the strip. But then that puny stock stall converter needs to go away really fast.

Leave the 1LE and Z28 packages alone, though. They should not have an automatic option. It sullies the brand and will weaken the times.