[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Great number for Ford, and I'm sure it was purposely done to eclipse the LT5 just in case GM finally steps up to the plate and delivers a Camaro to compete with the big Ford and Mopar heavy hitters.

GM needs to stay on point and keep working on the next big thing. Never fight backwards...always fight forwards. Ford fought backwards in 2015 and look what it got them. The S550 chassis is on it's way out...unless it has officially been extended again like the rumors said. So there is no reason for GM to lose focus and try to outdo them. That would be petty and would only serve to set them back. With all that power the GT500 is going to be unaffordable to all the ones who are bragging about it anyway. Those of us who can afford it and refuse to pay the markups will not care about it. A percentage of those who do buy it will not drive it. A percentage will drive it but not track it. And a handful will track it. It will not be as prevalent as the ZL1. It isn't going to beat a ZLE around a track nor will it beat a RE in the quarter mile. So there is no reason for GM to do anything with the 6th Gen ZL1.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

GM needs to stay on point and keep working on the next big thing. Never fight backwards...always fight forwards. Ford fought backwards in 2015 and look what it got them. The S550 chassis is on it's way out...unless it has officially been extended again like the rumors said. So there is no reason for GM to lose focus and try to outdo them. That would be petty and would only serve to set them back. With all that power the GT500 is going to be unaffordable to all the ones who are bragging about it anyway. Those of us who can afford it and refuse to pay the markups will not care about it. A percentage of those who do buy it will not drive it. A percentage will drive it but not track it. And a handful will track it. It will not be as prevalent as the ZL1. It isn't going to beat a ZLE around a track nor will it beat a RE in the quarter mile. So there is no reason for GM to do anything with the 6th Gen ZL1.

It will lay waste to a regular ZL1 around a track, considering the GT350R is nearly just as fast as the regular ZL1 around a track. Also, at 760 hp and likely coming in 500-600 lbs lighter than a Redeye, it will also likely beat the RE down the strip.

I also think the track package GT500 will be faster than the ZLE around a track.

Of course, these are all just speculation until someone can prove otherwise.

[shaffe]

It will be interesting to see where it lands performance wise once it gets in the hands of the magazines

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

It will lay waste to a regular ZL1 around a track, considering the GT350R is nearly just as fast as the regular ZL1 around a track. Also, at 760 hp and likely coming in 500-600 lbs lighter than a Redeye, it will also likely beat the RE down the strip.

I also think the track package GT500 will be faster than the ZLE around a track.

Of course, these are all just speculation until someone can prove otherwise.

I think it can beat the RE in the 1/4. It will all depend how it puts the power down. I don't knwo if it will be that much lighter than a RE but it will be lighter which should offset the 30HP advantage the RE has.

The ZLE I think it will be close, I think that is why the know offer the A10 in the ZLE. I think it will depend on the track honestly. On a track where the GT500 can simply use brute force it might edge out the ZLE but I would give the edge to the ZLE still. That car is just that damn good that anyone trying to make a car that can match it in a similar price range has a tall order going for them.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

No it is not impressive to me. Not in 2019. I don't care about what cars were making or doing over 20 years ago. 730 now (based on your statement yesterday) in 2019 after 5 years of waiting and development and after we've been seeing from GM and Dodge (755, 797, 808, 840) is lame. And especially when Ford makes these dumbass statements knowing that they're gonna fall short of the Redeye. "More HP per whatever than any blah blah blah blah". Who cares? LOL!!

And my "beloved ZL1 which still makes less power than the previous gen GT500 from 2013" will absolutely destroy that car in every category. Since you brought it up. And I bet the ZLE is gonna beat the current GT500 despite the 110 HP advantage it has. So how will that grab ya. The ZL1 beat the GT350R and you guys all talked about the HP advantage the ZL1 has. So what will the excuse be when the ZLE destroys the GT500 even tho the GT500 has the HP advantage?

Seeing that they are at 760 I guess that is a little bit better. But again, after everything that has been seen I am still not impressed. The Redeye has 797. THAT is impressive.

The thing makes more power than a '19 ZR1. How is that not impressive? 760 hp is more than many, many cars that are many times more expensive. It's a strong feat even in this day and age. Sure, the RE makes a bit more power, but not an overwhelming amount.

And your ZL1, unless modified, will not destroy the GT500 in anything. EDIT: Just realized you were talking about the previous GT500 from 2013 (as you always like to bring up time)...yes the current ZL1 beats the previous GT500 in handling and around a track. Acceleration wise, the GT500 has better trap speeds if my memory serves me correct, and very similar times.

[DevilsReject97]

760 Hp and 625 ft lbs of torque....

So it will be slower than a Demon, Redeye, and ZR1....
It will probably produce similar times to a Hellcat, perhaps a tad faster...
It will edge out the ZL1 A10...

And it will still be slower than a ZL1 1LE around a decent amount of tracks...

And all that can be yours...for the starting price of at least 75-80k....not to mention you'll be paying that ADM of about another 20-30k...

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

The thing makes more power than a '19 ZR1. How is that not impressive? 760 hp is more than many, many cars that are many times more expensive. It's a strong feat even in this day and age. Sure, the RE makes a bit more power, but not an overwhelming amount.

And your ZL1, unless modified, will not destroy the GT500 in anything.

Let's find out what it costs first...and let's be clear... it makes 5 hp more than a ZR1...but it won't touch a ZR1 in any race...

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

It will lay waste to a regular ZL1 around a track, considering the GT350R is nearly just as fast as the regular ZL1 around a track. Also, at 760 hp and likely coming in 500-600 lbs lighter than a Redeye, it will also likely beat the RE down the strip.

I also think the track package GT500 will be faster than the ZLE around a track.

Of course, these are all just speculation until someone can prove otherwise.

I would hope, that a car with 110 more HP could beat the standard ZL1 around a track. I imagine it will beat it, but it wont be by a mile.

As for the ZLE, I think it will simply come down to the track...because if its a super technical track, I dont see anyway the ZLE loses..

Originally Posted by shaffe

I think it can beat the RE in the 1/4. It will all depend how it puts the power down. I don't knwo if it will be that much lighter than a RE but it will be lighter which should offset the 30HP advantage the RE has.

With the torque deficit, I don't see it beating a RE unless it's in a perfect condition..

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

No it is not impressive to me. Not in 2019. I don't care about what cars were making or doing over 20 years ago. 730 now (based on your statement yesterday) in 2019 after 5 years of waiting and development and after we've been seeing from GM and Dodge (755, 797, 808, 840) is lame. And especially when Ford makes these dumbass statements knowing that they're gonna fall short of the Redeye. "More HP per whatever than any blah blah blah blah". Who cares? LOL!!

And my "beloved ZL1 which still makes less power than the previous gen GT500 from 2013" will absolutely destroy that car in every category. Since you brought it up. And I bet the ZLE is gonna beat the current GT500 despite the 110 HP advantage it has. So how will that grab ya. The ZL1 beat the GT350R and you guys all talked about the HP advantage the ZL1 has. So what will the excuse be when the ZLE destroys the GT500 even tho the GT500 has the HP advantage?

Seeing that they are at 760 I guess that is a little bit better. But again, after everything that has been seen I am still not impressed. The Redeye has 797. THAT is impressive.

Your assuming a whole lot in that statement. Also the 2013 GT500 is still to this day faster than a manual ZL1 in the 1/4. The only ZL1 that beats it would be the A10.

[NW-99SS]

You have to consider that the LT4 makes more torque than this new GT500. Yes it carries more peak HP, but I bet power under the curve, the two come in very similar.

ZLE vs GT500 Track Pack will be interesting, I still give the edge to the A10 ZLE, but a long track might give the GT500 Track Pack a win.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Your assuming a whole lot in that statement. Also the 2013 GT500 is still to this day faster than a manual ZL1 in the 1/4. The only ZL1 that beats it would be the A10.

Couple questions need to be answered first. How much is this car going to cost? I'm still thinking it will be more than the Redeye without the attached ADMs. And second, will this car come equipped with tranny and diff coolers?

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Let's find out what it costs first...and let's be clear... it makes 5 hp more than a ZR1...but it won't touch a ZR1 in any race...

My point is, Blaq's pretending to not be impressed with a car that makes more power than GMs most powerful car ever that is typically $130k+, that was just released for 2019. Give me a break. 760 hp is impressive, even today. To say otherwise is just bitterness or weakness, being unable to admit Ford put together an impressive output from the Predator. Most of y'all are reasonable and expecting the GT500 to put up a good fight. Blaq is already declaring the ZL1 the winner before any tests have been done.

I would imagine the GT500 and ZR1 will be fairly similar in the 1/4 mile both in time and trap speeds, the ZR1 isn't exactly a light weight car (albeit lighter than the GT500 and ZL1) so traction will play a bigger role than expected in the e.t. Ford has already stated the GT500 runs 10s in the 1/4. Isn't the ZR1 running high 10s as well?

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Couple questions need to be answered first. How much is this car going to cost? I'm still thinking it will be more than the Redeye without the attached ADMs. And second, will this car come equipped with tranny and diff coolers?

Ford has already stated many times that it will have all the coolers, just like the GT350R and current GT350.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

You have to consider that the LT4 makes more torque than this new GT500. Yes it carries more peak HP, but I bet power under the curve, the two come in very similar.

ZLE vs GT500 Track Pack will be interesting, I still give the edge to the A10 ZLE, but a long track might give the GT500 Track Pack a win.

Yeah, I was a little underwhelmed/disappointed by the torque rating. Great hp number, but a little shy on torque from my perspective.

I agree, the ZLE vs. GT500 track pack will be very interesting. ZLE is a tough target to reach.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Ford has already stated many times that it will have all the coolers, just like the GT350R and current GT350.

Did they? I haven't really kept up with it to be honest. I would assume the GT500 will come in around 4100 pounds in standard configuration. So if it can get decent traction it could very well beat the Redeye. Almost all of us here have been saying it will need to for months.

ZLE vs Trackpack idk. On a long track the extra power could be tough to beat. Hard for me to fathom the 500 beating a ZLE on a short technical track.

The price is going to be the most interesting thing to me. Especially with the C8 right around the corner.