[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Not to be confused with a ZL1 1LE or a Z06 Z07.

Hey, do you think the 1LE package will be available on the 1LT LT1? Then it can be an LT1 1LT 1LE.

...fiiiiive golden riiiings....

[whiteboyblues2001]

On another note, the new announcment shows that there will be a new 20" forged wheel available for LT, LT1, and SS trims. I wonder what it looks like, how much it weighs, does it come in black, and how big is it. Saving some rotational weight would be a great upgrade.

[arpad_m]

Apparently the 2019 SS fascia failed to "grow on" even its designers.

The other changes are great ideas, if only they had managed to find a better name instead of rehashing the LT1 moniker yet again. Trim diversification worked for FCA, too, and it's good to see extra options such as red seat belts being unlocked.

[NW-99SS]

Hahaha, these comments are spot on.

Also kudos to GM for listening to the feedback. While it took some time (more so with base price and less content than the painted cross bar and bowtie placement), it's nice to see them actually action a refresh that was unwelcomed by most.

[BlaqWhole]

Ok good for GM. Now how about advertising the damn thing already. I can't go a day on Facebook without seeing myriads of Dodge ads. I straight up had to block some of the sites because the ads kept popping up everywhere. GM needs to do the same thing.Because all these changes and new lower priced V8 models don't mean a thing is nobody knows about it.

GM didn't need to do a facelift in the first place. Or they could have just made subtle changes to it. Look at Dodge, you can barely tell a 2011 from a brand new one. That is an exaggeration of course. But still most people who look at the Challengers will not know if it is brand new or a few years old. So GM could have squeezed another 2 years out of the 16 front and rear.

And what gets my attention is not that they corrected the mistake...it's that they had to correct the mistake. First just how far off from their customer's thinking would they have had to be that they put that front on the Camaro anyway? How many more times will they get away with being oblivious to their customer's needs? And how many more mistakes will they need to correct. These mistakes cost money. Not only did they have to redo their work (meaning all the stuff they had already produced got scrapped) but the customers they lost due to the front end probably already bought something else. Those sales will never come back. This could have been a devastating blow. So they need to get their act together. If the car looks good, then leave it the hell alone. Or throw subtle changes at it. Or get groups to come in a provide feedback. Or put feelers out there and monitor the forums. Because they might not be able to walk away from this next time.

[BlaqWhole]

And after 10 MYs they finally put an emblem on the side of the car that says something. They still bumbled thru that because it says "LT-1" which might have people thinking it's a "1-LT". Dodge puts "HEMI", "SRT", and Hellcat emblems on their V8s. Ford puts a big ole "GT" emblem on the sides and right smack dab in the middle of the rear bumper. GM puts the smallest emblem they can find in the bottom corner of the rear bumper, nothing on the side, hide one in the front grille, and that's all we get. I mean, gosh, what's it gonna take for them to advertise the SS and ZL1?? They should be showing it off and have badges all over the thing like everyone else. $70K for my ZL1 and they couldn't throw better more visible emblems on it? And then don't advertise the car at all ever. And then wonder why nobody knows what a "ZL-1" or "LT-1" actually is.

These guys really need to get in touch because this is all basic stuff that nobody should have to explain. Look at what the competition is doing. If they badge their cars, then do the same thing.

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

And after 10 MYs they finally put an emblem on the side of the car that says something. They still bumbled thru that because it says "LT-1" which might have people thinking it's a "1-LT". Dodge puts "HEMI", "SRT", and Hellcat emblems on their V8s. Ford puts a big ole "GT" emblem on the sides and right smack dab in the middle of the rear bumper. GM puts the smallest emblem they can find in the bottom corner of the rear bumper, nothing on the side, hide one in the front grille, and that's all we get. I mean, gosh, what's it gonna take for them to advertise the SS and ZL1?? They should be showing it off and have badges all over the thing like everyone else. $70K for my ZL1 and they couldn't throw better more visible emblems on it? And then don't advertise the car at all ever. And then wonder why nobody knows what a "ZL-1" or "LT-1" actually is.

These guys really need to get in touch because this is all basic stuff that nobody should have to explain. Look at what the competition is doing. If they badge their cars, then do the same thing.

I actually agree with you. Would a SS378, or just SS fender badge kill Chevy? Nobody knows wtf an LT-1 is and even if you do seeing it as a badge lacks cool factor.

Even if you know where to look for the SS badge on a Camaro you have to be 10’ away before you can tell it doesn’t say RS

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Ethanolic

I actually agree with you. Would a SS378, or just SS fender badge kill Chevy? Nobody knows wtf an LT-1 is and even if you do seeing it as a badge lacks cool factor.

Even if you know where to look for the SS badge on a Camaro you have to be 10’ away before you can tell it doesn’t say RS

What will the SS have that the LT1 won't? I'm not too familiar with the 1LT trim but I thought other than the engine they were very similar. Is the SS getting a power boost? Will the LT1 just not have the coolers and no MRC option?

It is long overdue for a more affordable V8 to compete with the base GT. Finally.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

What will the SS have that the LT1 won't? I'm not too familiar with the 1LT trim but I thought other than the engine they were very similar. Is the SS getting a power boost? Will the LT1 just not have the coolers and no MRC option?

It is long overdue for a more affordable V8 to compete with the base GT. Finally.

I would expect that the 1LT LT1 will not have all the coolers that the SS has and will have the LT/RS suspension, not the SS suspension. Coolers are an added cost free flow option for the 3.6L LT so I would expect they can be ordered with the 6.2L. I don’t see MRC listed as an option on LT, so I wouldn’t expect that to change with the V8.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Ok good for GM. Now how about advertising the damn thing already. I can't go a day on Facebook without seeing myriads of Dodge ads. I straight up had to block some of the sites because the ads kept popping up everywhere. GM needs to do the same thing.Because all these changes and new lower priced V8 models don't mean a thing is nobody knows about it.

GM didn't need to do a facelift in the first place. Or they could have just made subtle changes to it. Look at Dodge, you can barely tell a 2011 from a brand new one. That is an exaggeration of course. But still most people who look at the Challengers will not know if it is brand new or a few years old. So GM could have squeezed another 2 years out of the 16 front and rear.

And what gets my attention is not that they corrected the mistake...it's that they had to correct the mistake. First just how far off from their customer's thinking would they have had to be that they put that front on the Camaro anyway? How many more times will they get away with being oblivious to their customer's needs? And how many more mistakes will they need to correct. These mistakes cost money. Not only did they have to redo their work (meaning all the stuff they had already produced got scrapped) but the customers they lost due to the front end probably already bought something else. Those sales will never come back. This could have been a devastating blow. So they need to get their act together. If the car looks good, then leave it the hell alone. Or throw subtle changes at it. Or get groups to come in a provide feedback. Or put feelers out there and monitor the forums. Because they might not be able to walk away from this next time.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

And after 10 MYs they finally put an emblem on the side of the car that says something. They still bumbled thru that because it says "LT-1" which might have people thinking it's a "1-LT". Dodge puts "HEMI", "SRT", and Hellcat emblems on their V8s. Ford puts a big ole "GT" emblem on the sides and right smack dab in the middle of the rear bumper. GM puts the smallest emblem they can find in the bottom corner of the rear bumper, nothing on the side, hide one in the front grille, and that's all we get. I mean, gosh, what's it gonna take for them to advertise the SS and ZL1?? They should be showing it off and have badges all over the thing like everyone else. $70K for my ZL1 and they couldn't throw better more visible emblems on it? And then don't advertise the car at all ever. And then wonder why nobody knows what a "ZL-1" or "LT-1" actually is.

These guys really need to get in touch because this is all basic stuff that nobody should have to explain. Look at what the competition is doing. If they badge their cars, then do the same thing.

I know you probably have in the past but sure is nice to see you calling GM out when they do something dumb lol. I agree 100% with what you said.

The fact that they changed the face of the refresh after 1 year tells me they got enough flack for how bad it was and the fact they changed it as fast as they did proves that.

It also proves that the flow tie was 100% a cosmetic choice and not needed.

Originally Posted by Chadicus

What will the SS have that the LT1 won't? I'm not too familiar with the 1LT trim but I thought other than the engine they were very similar. Is the SS getting a power boost? Will the LT1 just not have the coolers and no MRC option?

It is long overdue for a more affordable V8 to compete with the base GT. Finally.

Emergency refresh of the refresh and now a lower cost option V-8 trim. Sure seems like despite higher ATP's and more retail sales they ARE concerned about the sales numbers.

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I would expect that the 1LT LT1 will not have all the coolers that the SS has and will have the LT/RS suspension, not the SS suspension. Coolers are an added cost free flow option for the 3.6L LT so I would expect they can be ordered with the 6.2L. I don’t see MRC listed as an option on LT, so I wouldn’t expect that to change with the V8.

what he said ^

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by shaffe

It also proves that the flow tie was 100% a cosmetic choice and not needed.



Emergency refresh of the refresh and now a lower cost option V-8 trim. Sure seems like despite higher ATP's and more retail sales they ARE concerned about the sales numbers.

Obviously, anyone should have known Flow tie was a gimmick.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Emergency refresh of the refresh and now a lower cost option V-8 trim. Sure seems like despite higher ATP's and more retail sales they ARE concerned about the sales numbers.

I don't see what one has to do with the other. Can't GM want high ATP and sales numbers?

If the LT1 becomes the rental car special and Chevy jumps from 2% fleet to 30% (like Ford and FCA), I would understand your point.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by hotlap

I don't see what one has to do with the other. Can't GM want high ATP and sales numbers?

If the LT1 becomes the rental car special and Chevy jumps from 2% fleet to 30% (like Ford and FCA), I would understand your point.

You are exactly right, they can want high ATP and sales numbers. What it proves is that despite having those things, sales #s still matter. I am sure GM knows how much fleet Fiat and Ford sell but GM is clearly doing this to chase those two. You don't do an emergency facelift a year after a face lift and introduce another a low content model if your not chasing volume.

Not calling you out on it specifically but many people try to say the Camaro sales numbers don't matter because it is low fleet and high ATP. This proves that despite having higher ATPs and low fleet percentage GM is not happy with the volume.

Number3 Called the LT1 trim a desperation move to get more sales.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by shaffe

You are exactly right, they can want high ATP and sales numbers. What it proves is that despite having those things, sales #s still matter. I am sure GM knows how much fleet Fiat and Ford sell but GM is clearly doing this to chase those two. You don't do an emergency facelift a year after a face lift and introduce another a low content model if your not chasing volume.

Not calling you out on it specifically but many people try to say the Camaro sales numbers don't matter because it is low fleet and high ATP. This proves that despite having higher ATPs and low fleet percentage GM is not happy with the volume.

Number3 Called the LT1 trim a desperation move to get more sales.

Maybe there just giving what people have been asking for? So why not make a car that the competition is making. Sounds like smart business to me.