What would it take?

clg82 · 07-07-2021, 01:02 PM

I'll just go right out and say it, what types of modifications would it take to keep up with a 2020 GT500? 1/4 mile racing is different then road racing obviously but keeping up on the straights are my concerns....thoughts anyone? keep in mind I live in california so the upgrades will need to be smog compliant. I thought this would be a cool little build project between the people on here.

kropscamaro16 · 07-07-2021, 01:07 PM

i would hit up ryne or roy but keeping it carb legal is going to be hard...

Z OH 6 · 07-07-2021, 01:18 PM

Would be very difficult carb legal. These cars with a few mods are capable but most would involve a tune and probably headers too.

Mark R · 07-07-2021, 01:20 PM

It already beats it:

Drag Race: 16 minutes
Track Times: 28 minutes

Gunkk · 07-07-2021, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clg82

to keep up with a 2020 GT500? 1/4 mile racing is different then road racing obviously but keeping up on the straights are my concerns....thoughts anyone? keep in mind I live in california so the upgrades will need to be smog compliant.

Your best CARB compliant option: Buy a ZR1.

There are no such CARB compliant mods that will get you the 110+ crank hp you need to "keep up" with a GT500.

If the ZR1 is not an option, then a Driver Mod (i.e. training school) will get you more than anything you can bolt on the car, but even that won't help as much in a roll race as on a road course or in the 1/4 mi.

LT4Greg · 07-07-2021, 02:39 PM

Sell the ZL1 and buy a GT 500! 👍 Lol...

BlaqWhole · 07-07-2021, 02:52 PM

From a numbers POV they make approx 705-ish RWHP to our approx 550-ish RWHP. However they are a bit heavier. A lot of them are modded so you have to be careful. If you're aiming at them then I would suggest going with a full build including cam, ported heads, LTs, and blower swap. Because trust me, if you come across one with mods, you're gonna need at least that much to keep up with them. And you also have to contend with modded REs out there too so don't forget about them.

Considering all the competition out there I personally decided to go with a full build. My car just got shipped out yesterday and should be ready in a few weeks hopefully!! Shooting for 800+ to the wheels. Even then I still don't think that will be enough up against some of the highly modded monsters out there.

Markoz28 · 07-07-2021, 02:52 PM

Move from California

MartinLe · 07-07-2021, 02:58 PM

Won't radz28's CARB compliant ZL1 run with a stock Mustang? I suppose if it's modded, that will be tough.

*radz28* · 07-07-2021, 03:07 PM

Edelbrock has an CARB-legal kit: http://ww2.arb.ca.gov/sites/default/.../d-215-117.pdf

I have opinions on this kit, which is why I don't use it.

Magnuson has a kit pending CARB-certification: https://www.magnusonsuperchargers.co...-62-176-bl.htm

This is the kit I have and there is little that I take any issue with.

Both of these kits have the same rotors ZR1 and the GT500 use. Both kits will push similar boost numbers as ZR1 and the GT500. Both kits also put out about the same as ZR1 and GT500. This is all you need to keep up with the GT500. ZL1 already has a better chassis. If you put the GYSC3R on ZL1, it sticks nearly the same as ZLE.

The only issues you might face at that power level is engine cooling. There's a member running almost the same set-up that has found and upgraded radiator, IC, and larger oil cooler (replaces the secondary IC - which is why you would need the upgraded primary IC) provide adequate cooling for about 70-RWHP around a track.

SlowShelby · 07-07-2021, 04:17 PM

s mentioned. Fueling will ultimately be the problem due to the DI, hence why the ZR1 fixed it.

Just remember to vote. Almost all California's laws and regulations are dictated my morons.

TWG1 · 07-07-2021, 06:01 PM

Not sure if you mean drag or road course…but on a road course its a driver’s race, and somewhat dependent on the track. Go to a technical track and ZL1 already has a clear advantage based on weight alone. A bigger track with more straights would be closer…but again…a driver’s race. Ive been on track with them, they don't appear as agile/nimble as a ZLE.

Short version; Mods to beat a GT500 on track: more seat time, more coaching.

clg82 · 07-07-2021, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlowShelby

s mentioned. Fueling will ultimately be the problem due to the DI, hence why the ZR1 fixed it.

Just remember to vote. Almost all California's laws and regulations are dictated my morons.

I haven’t done much research on upgrading the fuel system on these zl1s but that shouldn’t affect smog at all I’d assume. And is it an expensive upgrade if i go magnuson and e85?

Z OH 6 · 07-08-2021, 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markoz28

Move from California

Best advice in this thread.

07-07-2021, 01:02 PM	#1
clg82 Drives: 2020 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 1,135	What would it take? I'll just go right out and say it, what types of modifications would it take to keep up with a 2020 GT500? 1/4 mile racing is different then road racing obviously but keeping up on the straights are my concerns....thoughts anyone? keep in mind I live in california so the upgrades will need to be smog compliant. I thought this would be a cool little build project between the people on here. __________________ 2020 ZL1 A10 Shadow Gray Metallic Magnuson Magnum DI TVS2650R\| Mamo Throttle Body V2\| RotoFab Intake\| Borla S-Type Catback Exhaust\| TCM Tune\| Tune\| Eibach Pro\| BMR Rear Cradle Lockout\| PPF\| Ceramic\| BCForged HCS21

07-07-2021, 01:07 PM	#2
kropscamaro16 Drives: 2016 1ss camaro Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: 909 Posts: 9,812	i would hit up ryne or roy but keeping it carb legal is going to be hard... __________________ 16 1SS NIGHTFALL GRAY METALLIC WITH NPP #BECAUSERACECAR #SAVETHEMANUALS

07-07-2021, 02:39 PM	#6
LT4Greg Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 Coupe Join Date: May 2016 Location: Georgia Posts: 5,809	Sell the ZL1 and buy a GT 500! 👍 Lol... __________________ ZL1 Coupe, PDR, Exposed carbon fiber hood insert, My Link with Nav, M6 6 speed and Silver Ice Metallic. Mods done: ceramic window tint, GM Accessories Camaro floor mats and Roto-Fab CAI.

07-07-2021, 02:58 PM	#9
MartinLe Drives: 2017 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 M6 Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: OR Posts: 479	Won't radz28's CARB compliant ZL1 run with a stock Mustang? I suppose if it's modded, that will be tough. __________________ JRE Terminator Rough Idle Cam Magnuson 2650 - 15% lower, 90mm upper FIC+30% DSX Flex fuel/Low side NW 103mm TB/Roto-Fab CAI Monster S Series Elite E2-X 2" TSP LT's BMR:BK063, BK060,TCA061, UTCA060, UTCA063 Weld Beadlocks/17" NT5R2 Last edited by MartinLe; 07-07-2021 at 03:18 PM.

07-07-2021, 03:07 PM	#10
radz28 Petro-sexual Drives: Ultra-Grin Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Crazy Coast Posts: 15,186 View My Garage	Edelbrock has an CARB-legal kit: http://ww2.arb.ca.gov/sites/default/.../d-215-117.pdf I have opinions on this kit, which is why I don't use it. Magnuson has a kit pending CARB-certification: https://www.magnusonsuperchargers.co...-62-176-bl.htm This is the kit I have and there is little that I take any issue with. Both of these kits have the same rotors ZR1 and the GT500 use. Both kits will push similar boost numbers as ZR1 and the GT500. Both kits also put out about the same as ZR1 and GT500. This is all you need to keep up with the GT500. ZL1 already has a better chassis. If you put the GYSC3R on ZL1, it sticks nearly the same as ZLE. The only issues you might face at that power level is engine cooling. There's a member running almost the same set-up that has found and upgraded radiator, IC, and larger oil cooler (replaces the secondary IC - which is why you would need the upgraded primary IC) provide adequate cooling for about 70-RWHP around a track. __________________ '20 ZL1 Black "Fury" A10, PDR, Exposed CF Extractor Magnuson Magnum DI TVS2650R // RFBG // Soler 103 // TooHighPSI Port Injection // THPSI Billet Lid // FF // Katech Drop-In // PLM Heat Exchanger // ZLE Cradle bushings // BMR Chassis-Suspension Stuff // aFe Bars // Diode Dynamics LEDs // ACS Composites Guards // CF Dash // Aeroforce // tint // other stuffs

07-07-2021, 01:18 PM	#3
Z OH 6 Drives: 2021 Red Hot ZL1 Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Gapplebees Posts: 3,077	Would be very difficult carb legal. These cars with a few mods are capable but most would involve a tune and probably headers too.

07-07-2021, 02:52 PM	#7
BlaqWhole Account Suspended Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10 Join Date: May 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 7,692	From a numbers POV they make approx 705-ish RWHP to our approx 550-ish RWHP. However they are a bit heavier. A lot of them are modded so you have to be careful. If you're aiming at them then I would suggest going with a full build including cam, ported heads, LTs, and blower swap. Because trust me, if you come across one with mods, you're gonna need at least that much to keep up with them. And you also have to contend with modded REs out there too so don't forget about them. Considering all the competition out there I personally decided to go with a full build. My car just got shipped out yesterday and should be ready in a few weeks hopefully!! Shooting for 800+ to the wheels. Even then I still don't think that will be enough up against some of the highly modded monsters out there.

07-07-2021, 02:52 PM	#8
Markoz28 Drives: 18 ZL1 nightfall grey A10 Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: RGV Texas Posts: 1,527	Move from California

07-07-2021, 04:17 PM	#11
SlowShelby Drives: Shelby GT500 Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: TX Posts: 13	s mentioned. Fueling will ultimately be the problem due to the DI, hence why the ZR1 fixed it. Just remember to vote. Almost all California's laws and regulations are dictated my morons.

07-07-2021, 06:01 PM	#12
TWG1 TWG1 Drives: 2019 Camaro ZLE Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: PENSACOLA, FL Posts: 179	Not sure if you mean drag or road course…but on a road course its a driver’s race, and somewhat dependent on the track. Go to a technical track and ZL1 already has a clear advantage based on weight alone. A bigger track with more straights would be closer…but again…a driver’s race. Ive been on track with them, they don't appear as agile/nimble as a ZLE. Short version; Mods to beat a GT500 on track: more seat time, more coaching. __________________ 2019 ZLE M6 2019 ZL1 A10 (Sold) 1967 Jaguar XKE Series 1 Roadster 2021 F150 Powerboost (on order)

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