[1LE76G]

Anyone interested in trying to get the car allowed in STP, from what I gather the only thing excluding it is the E-diff.
I think it would be a good alternate from having to run CAM-C if you don't want to go as wild.

[Hasti]

where does it say its not allowed in STP?

[Chris V]

Originally Posted by Hasti

where does it say its not allowed in STP?

In the rule book, Appendix A, Page 164:

Street Touring® Pony car (STP)
Supplemental Class
Chevrolet
Camaro (V6) (2016-17)
Camaro (SS, V6, & 1LE) (2010-15)
Camaro (SS, Z28, & V6) (1993-2002)
Camaro (fuel injection, N/A) (1982-92)
Camaro SS (non-1LE) (2016-17)
SS Sedan (2013-17)

https://www.scca.com/downloads/40392...duced/download

[FNxR3DNECK]

Originally Posted by Chris V

In the rule book, Appendix A, Page 164:



https://www.scca.com/downloads/40392...duced/download

Is there anything saying exactly why it’s not in STP?

[1LE76G]

Originally Posted by FNxR3DNECK

Is there anything saying exactly why it’s not in STP?

If you dig further into the rules, it says any mechanical differential is allowed, while we have en E-Diff, this is my guess on why its not allowed. However, there is nothing in the rules that specifically says why it isnt allowed. I did see a supplement from 2015 when the rules first came out for STP that cars with IRS could only have a max of 285 tires, and i think 10in rims. I can no longer find those rules, and reading through the current 2018 rules it just states a max of 315 tires, and a max of 11in wide rims for STP.

[apexit53]

Honestly it doesnt matter.

The car isnt in STP because of the Ediff and the ability to reprogram it (and lack of ability to prove its been reprogrammed) so it goes Right to CAMC.

Also the chance of STP surviving past this year looks slim. The tour numbers have not been great, partially because of CAM... well mainly CAM.

[1LE76G]

Originally Posted by apexit53

Honestly it doesnt matter.

The car isnt in STP because of the Ediff and the ability to reprogram it (and lack of ability to prove its been reprogrammed) so it goes Right to CAMC.

Also the chance of STP surviving past this year looks slim. The tour numbers have not been great, partially because of CAM... well mainly CAM.

I see your point, no one runs STP in Charlotte, nor did i see anyone running it at our match tour.

[apexit53]

Originally Posted by 1LE76G

I see your point, no one runs STP in Charlotte, nor did i see anyone running it at our match tour.

yeah with CAM there STP is just kinda meh to most muscle car guys.

locally we have no one in STP even though almost all cars in CAMC would fit in STP.

Sine cam is a lawless land the day will come that someone will build the ultimate CAM C car and ruin the class. So far that hasn't happened

[1LE76G]

Originally Posted by apexit53

yeah with CAM there STP is just kinda meh to most muscle car guys.

locally we have no one in STP even though almost all cars in CAMC would fit in STP.

Sine cam is a lawless land the day will come that someone will build the ultimate CAM C car and ruin the class. So far that hasn't happened

When I decided to run cam with my 1LE i was hoping the DSC controller, camber plates, and 305s RE71rs would put it pretty close, however it just isn't that close when mustangs show up with coilovers, completely gutted with 315-335s all the way around. Lol

[Chris V]

Originally Posted by 1LE76G

When I decided to run cam with my 1LE i was hoping the DSC controller, camber plates, and 305s RE71rs would put it pretty close, however it just isn't that close when mustangs show up with coilovers, completely gutted with 315-335s all the way around. Lol

Don't take this personally, but there's some driver mod in there to be had.

This past weekend Brian Peters was less than a second off of his own time in a wildly prepped 1LE in a basically stock 1LE on 305s. He was a half second off with the diff controller.

The stock car is really good, and stock with DSC, Camber plates, and 305s is a really good package for very little work and money. Try the new diff cal too and see what you think.

The reality is that there are diminishing returns at the pointy end in a heavy car on street tires. My supercharged car on springs with the shock tune and diff tune costs 25% more than the stock car, but it's not 25% faster.

[apexit53]

Originally Posted by 1LE76G

When I decided to run cam with my 1LE i was hoping the DSC controller, camber plates, and 305s RE71rs would put it pretty close, however it just isn't that close when mustangs show up with coilovers, completely gutted with 315-335s all the way around. Lol

How far off of them on average would you say you are?

[1LE76G]

Originally Posted by Chris V

Don't take this personally, but there's some driver mod in there to be had.

This past weekend Brian Peters was less than a second off of his own time in a wildly prepped 1LE in a basically stock 1LE on 305s. He was a half second off with the diff controller.

The stock car is really good, and stock with DSC, Camber plates, and 305s is a really good package for very little work and money. Try the new diff cal too and see what you think.

The reality is that there are diminishing returns at the pointy end in a heavy car on street tires. My supercharged car on springs with the shock tune and diff tune costs 25% more than the stock car, but it's not 25% faster.

Oh no doubt, I'm still learning the car and this most recent even was only autocross #3 for the year. Each time I've gone out I've found things i like and don't like, while still getting more comfortable in the car. However, I still think you will need coilovers to be very competitive in camc.

Originally Posted by apexit53

How far off of them on average would you say you are?

First event I was about 2 seconds off. Past couple about a second, and this last event first day i was still about 1.5 seconds on the first day, but the 2nd day I was within 3-4 tenths.

[rotis]

Originally Posted by apexit53

...cam is a lawless land the day will come that someone will build the ultimate CAM C car and ruin the class. So far that hasn't happened

The problem is that the right car to "ruin CAM" is a built 2.0T Camaro that can be ballasted up to 3250 @ >50% rear weight distribution. It won't be close, and when it happens hopefully the IRS minimum weight gets increased to 3450+ so the V8 cars stop doing dangerous things to drop weight.

STP is the right class at the wrong time. CAM came first and gets heavily promoted, I have a hard time seeing STP being successful as a result.

In any case, my STP car (just a 1SS with coil-overs and 11" wheels) has had no problem competing in CAM. It is a bit of an arms race with the open rules, so that'll change.

[apexit53]

Originally Posted by rotis

The problem is that the right car to "ruin CAM" is a built 2.0T Camaro that can be ballasted up to 3250 @ >50% rear weight distribution. It won't be close, and when it happens hopefully the IRS minimum weight gets increased to 3450+ so the V8 cars stop doing dangerous things to drop weight.

STP is the right class at the wrong time. CAM came first and gets heavily promoted, I have a hard time seeing STP being successful as a result.

In any case, my STP car (just a 1SS with coil-overs and 11" wheels) has had no problem competing in CAM. It is a bit of an arms race with the open rules, so that'll change.

not going to lie, I had looked into that! lol.

I am still trying to get the STAC to class the turbo camaro in STU but they seem to be protecting the current cars in STU. Maybe my opinion but they refuse to class it in an ST class.