[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Blu Ray

ZLE-A10 - anything else you will regret

There is absolutely no way that anybody in their right mind would ever regret a ZL1. It is not possible. In the realm of possibility and probability, it does not exist. You would have a better chance of finding an Alien Unicorn Predator Dementor Centaur T-Rex than you would finding someone who actually regrets buying their ZL1. If anyone were that touched in the head enough to actually regret a ZL1 then I suggest they go have a CT Scan of the head and then get whatever tumor they have that is causing them to have extremely poor and irrational judgement removed.

[BlaqWhole]

For the record, as a GM loyalist and Camaro fanboy...I would trust tap water from a hose in an alley in Mexico before I trust someone who says they regret buying their ZL1.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

For the record, as a GM loyalist and Camaro fanboy...I would trust tap water from a hose in an alley in Mexico before I trust someone who says they regret buying their ZL1.

Well, just a tiny correction, our ex-noboost friend said ZLE, and there has certainly been a level of regret about the DSSV in that camp.

[pauly1119]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

There is absolutely no way that anybody in their right mind would ever regret a ZL1. It is not possible. In the realm of possibility and probability, it does not exist. You would have a better chance of finding an Alien Unicorn Predator Dementor Centaur T-Rex than you would finding someone who actually regrets buying their ZL1. If anyone were that touched in the head enough to actually regret a ZL1 then I suggest they go have a CT Scan of the head and then get whatever tumor they have that is causing them to have extremely poor and irrational judgement removed.

I have to agree with this, I have had lots of cars over the years. Corvette Z06's, Grand Sports, other Camaros and this Zl1 is in my opinion the best one yet.

[Camaro1973]

Originally Posted by Blu Ray

ZLE-A10 - anything else you will regret

LOL !!

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Well, just a tiny correction, our ex-noboost friend said ZLE, and there has certainly been a level of regret about the DSSV in that camp.

I always distinguish between the ZL1 and ZLE. I intentionally left the ZLE out of my statements due to the fact that like you confirmed, many do regret the ZLE for it's stiffness. Lol!! The ZL1 tho, nobody ever regrets buying one!!

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

For the record, the 1LE is NOT another trim level, it is an option for the ZL1 trim model. No different than ordering red seat belts.

Technically, and I don't know when it changed, but certain exterior colors had red seat belts and certain exterior colors had black.

So technically some early year models ZL1s didn't have an option to order red seat belts. It just came with the color of the car. I'm glad they changed that. Red seat belts are blah.

Also, there is no such thing as a ZLE. So I agree the ZL1 1LE isn't the highest trim Camaro but the highest optioned Camaro.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Technically, and I don't know when it changed, but certain exterior colors had red seat belts and certain exterior colors had black.

So technically some early year models ZL1s didn't have an option to order red seat belts. It just came with the color of the car. I'm glad they changed that. Red seat belts are blah.

Also, there is no such thing as a ZLE. So I agree the ZL1 1LE isn't the highest trim Camaro but the highest optioned Camaro.

I'm not sure when it was changed but I do think that all the 17s had the red seat belts as standard. I could be wrong. But they did come on mine and I don't remember it as an option.

"ZLE" is just shortened version of ZL1-1LE since that is too much to write. Same with SS and SLE. Although some don't use those abbrevs at all. But I would hesitate to even call the ZLE the highest optioned since it initially did not come with the A10 or sunroof as an option. Even now it still does not include a sunroof. So it is technically not the highest optioned, it is just differently optioned. But if any want the distinction then they could certainly say it is the most costly.

If it matters, the ZLE has a lower top speed than the ZL1 so the extra handling does come with a bit of a trade-off. And the fact that more people will favor the ride of the ZL1 over the ZLE...when comparing both I feel they are on equal ground. Me being a sunroof kinda guy and wanting the highest top speed, the ZLE is not even a consideration for me. And the A10 was a must have for me as well which made the ZLE a deal breaker. Even now I would not choose a ZLE over a ZL1. I would choose a ZLE WITH a ZL! but not over a ZL1.

[ZX-10R]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

If it matters, the ZLE has a lower top speed than the ZL1 so the extra handling does come with a bit of a trade-off.

It's not just top speed - anything over 100 mph rolling resistance is going to start kicking in (aero plus wider tires). The ZLE is also terrible off the line because it's so stiff (limited weight transfer). These youtube dimwits always seem to test 0-60 with a ZLE for some odd reason

Aside from you just love the look (I get that part), I never saw the point of the ZLE for street use unless you live near a mountain road

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Well, just a tiny correction, our ex-noboost friend said ZLE, and there has certainly been a level of regret about the DSSV in that camp.

Oh there’s one that went backward to an LT1.

Anecdotally, I read a “review” where the “guy” (Air quotes because I have doubts as to his masculinity) stated they wouldn’t want one because it was too hard to keep a steady speed on the interstate & would rather have an SS because of it. Oh, & because it was slower ‘cause he felt he could beat on it more & not be going as fast.

Kid you not.

[Stephen12ZL1]

In '17 and '18 (I think) red seat belts were determined by the exterior color of the car. Later years like my '21 ZLE, it is a low cost option.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by gtfoxy

Oh there’s one that went backward to an LT1.

Anecdotally, I read a “review” where the “guy” (Air quotes because I have doubts as to his masculinity) stated they wouldn’t want one because it was too hard to keep a steady speed on the interstate & would rather have an SS because of it. Oh, & because it was slower ‘cause he felt he could beat on it more & not be going as fast.

Kid you not.

Holy ****, man... "too hard to keep a steady speed"?

[ember1205]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

"ZLE" is just shortened version of ZL1-1LE since that is too much to write. Same with SS and SLE.

ZL1-1LE gets shortened to ZLE because of all of the redundancy with "L1-1L" in between the ends.

I've never seen SS-1LE shortened to SLE. Unless it was on a GMC vehicle indicating its trim level.

[GreenZLE]

Originally Posted by ZX-10R

It's not just top speed - anything over 100 mph rolling resistance is going to start kicking in (aero plus wider tires). The ZLE is also terrible off the line because it's so stiff (limited weight transfer). These youtube dimwits always seem to test 0-60 with a ZLE for some odd reason

Aside from you just love the look (I get that part), I never saw the point of the ZLE for street use unless you live near a mountain road

I cut 1.69's in my stock ZLE at Gateway. I foot brake off the line at about 1100RPM and roll into it fast. Big burnout on Toyo 888R's. Best time is an 11.2