Carbon Ceramic Brakes for G6 ZL1 - Page 6

kingbambino22 · 11-03-2017, 01:22 PM

No one gave the CCB a go yet? They sure would look nice on a ZL1 1LE. Would lose some weight also.

RacingBrake · 11-06-2017, 06:08 AM

Long term track review with RB CCB rotor & sintered pads (The ultimate brake set up with bullet proof performance) from a GT350 driver.

...It's time for an update on the CCB's. After running them for three track days and four months of highway and city service, I wanted to give the folks who wondered about my sanity an update ;-).

It turns out that I'm sane. I have to say that I put these on with some trepidation - the internet knowledge base said they would be fragile, that they couldn't handle track use and they'd be nothing but an expensive headache. My experience is the EXACT OPPOSITE. I love them. I'm never going back to iron rotors. These things are that good...

...The sintered pads are a new product and they're "streetable" in the sense that you can run them all the time if you want to, but they're a bit noisy. As for bite, they've got the bite of a tyrannosaur. Mu is around 0.60 and it's immutable. Same brake feel from cold to glowing hot...

...One of the criticisms of CCB's in the past has been poor modulation. My experience with sintered pads and with the RSL-29's is that they're just as easy to modulate as any other brake system. Now, the high-mu sintered pads give you a lot of braking with moderate pedal pressure, but once I got used to the sensitivity, I stopped thinking about it and got on with driving.

If you want to know more about racing with CCB rotors, Google "David Donohue Pikes Peak brakes" and you'll find videos (one is on the DSC Sport Suspension website) showing David Donohue's run up Pikes Peak in this year's hill climb event. He's Mark Donohue's son, by the way. Anyway, the Google search will turn up a review that David wrote and posted on a forum (that's why I didn't provide the link) about CCB brake performance with sintered race pads on the Pike's Peak race car. Apparently, he likes them too...

https://trackmustangsonline.com/thre...-2#post-187860

RUQWIKR · 11-07-2017, 04:14 PM

Can you check your measurements on the ZL1 rear caliper pistons? I just measured a new one and show 28.40 and 23.32 (not 28.32). Think your spreadsheet needs correcting. Unsure if the Gen 5 ZL1 rear calipers have the same piston sizes as the Gen 6 ZL1, but, I believe they do. If so, that'd need correcting, too.

http://www.racingbrake.com/category-s/7373.htm

SinginHawk · 11-07-2017, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RUQWIKR

Can you check your measurements on the ZL1 rear caliper pistons? I just measured a new one and show 28.40 and 23.32 (not 28.32). Think your spreadsheet needs correcting. Unsure if the Gen 5 ZL1 rear calipers have the same piston sizes as the Gen 6 ZL1, but, I believe they do. If so, that'd need correcting, too.

http://www.racingbrake.com/category-s/7373.htm

Gen 5 and Gen 6 ZL1's have different brake calipers and rotors. I don't know about your other inquiries.

RUQWIKR · 11-07-2017, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SinginHawk

Gen 5 and Gen 6 ZL1's have different brake calipers and rotors. I don't know about your other inquiries.

Correct - I'm just talking about their piston sizes referenced on their website. I just attached a pic of a ZL1 1LE rear caliper piston set - same as regular 17+ ZL1 rear other than caliper color.

RacingBrake · 11-08-2017, 07:46 AM

They are 28mm and 32mm in piston diameter. Caliper has differential bores.

This rear caliper is one of 200+ OE calipers in our library. Seals and dust boots are tooled and made with these size accordingly.

RUQWIKR · 11-08-2017, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RacingBrake

They are 28mm and 32mm in piston diameter. Caliper has differential bores.

This rear caliper is one of 200+ OE calipers in our library. Seals and dust boots are tooled and made with these size accordingly.

Ok - still confused, which is not hard to do. I have a set of new 2018 ZL1 1LE calipers, fronts and rears. The fronts measure right at what you have. The rears do not. In my attached pic above of a rear, the larger one is the 28.40 diameter. You can see the noticeably smaller other piston. I'll remeasure later tonight.

RacingBrake · 11-10-2017, 04:46 PM

ZL1 G6 Rear brake (caliper, pad, and rotor) remains the same as G5, which is also same as Cadillac CTS-V, with 28 and 32mm caliper piston diameter.

RacingBrake · 11-15-2017, 11:58 AM

We kept track the brake changes on GM (Corvette, Camaro, CTS-V) in different generations, we know OE brake well and we make our replacement better than OE.

Our offer for Camaro brake is complete and thorough (including brake bias analysis), all published data on our web s/b accountable.

We make CCB upgrade for G6 ZL1 affordable. The kit is centered around Z28 with required modification.

So if you love your ZL1 how it performs on tracks you may consider the brake upgrade to increase its value and ultimate performance.

http://www.racingbrake.com/Camaro-Z-...rccb-gm-02.htm

PM us for the promotional prices, and if you have ZL1 6 pot Brembo calipers you can further deduct them from the kit price.

RacingBrake · 12-06-2017, 11:54 AM

In response to PM and inquiries on this Z28 CCM brake kit for G6 Camaro (SS & ZL1).
http://www.racingbrake.com/Camaro-Z-...rccb-gm-02.htm

1. If you have ZL1 you can deduct the calipers from the kit, but the rear Z28 calipers will be silver vs. ZL1 red in front.

2. The front CCM rotors come with the kit are fitted with RB rotor hats so they are 100% compatible with G6 spindle hub for a bolt-on installation.

3. Since there is no change in rear spindle between G5 (Z28) & G6 so the rear rotors are a bolt-on installation, however the calipers are not compatible due to different rotor size (390mm Z28 vs. 365mm of ZL1) and you can opt to upgrade the rotor hats to RB's light weight composite hat (aluminum shell with iron sleeve) vs. OE's stainless steel hat for further weight saving.

This iron to CCB conversion kit is engineered, tested, and approved by RB for the best value in your G6 brake upgrade whether you are looking for street driving or track/racing application.

We are good at CCB brake system development and conversion (between iron and CCB) and we look forward to serving your Camaro's braking need.

RacingBrake · 07-26-2018, 08:58 AM

World's first RB CCM rotor kit built with continuous fiber replacing Russ' (NASA National Competition Racing) Z28 OE rotors:

EDFHOBBIES · 07-26-2018, 02:14 PM

how much weight does this save over the current Zl1 setup?

Alain · 07-26-2018, 04:58 PM

I’ve always wondered why carbon ceramic brakes are so expensive. This seems like a good place to ask.

Is it because the carbon ceramic material needed to make 4 rotors is that expensive ?
Is it the manufacturing process that makes it so pricey?
Or is it a few companies that have the market cornered?

My 1LE would look and perform that much better with these on. But that is just too much damn money.

EDFHOBBIES · 07-26-2018, 05:35 PM

https://youtu.be/3D9ayaGQiV4

Looks easier than working with steel..

11-07-2017, 04:14 PM	#73
RUQWIKR Drives: 1LEs Join Date: May 2009 Location: DFW - Texas Posts: 1,319	Can you check your measurements on the ZL1 rear caliper pistons? I just measured a new one and show 28.40 and 23.32 (not 28.32). Think your spreadsheet needs correcting. Unsure if the Gen 5 ZL1 rear calipers have the same piston sizes as the Gen 6 ZL1, but, I believe they do. If so, that'd need correcting, too. http://www.racingbrake.com/category-s/7373.htm Attached Images Last edited by RUQWIKR; 11-07-2017 at 04:51 PM.

07-26-2018, 02:14 PM	#82
EDFHOBBIES Dyno Show Queen LOL Drives: 16 SS & 17 ZL1 Both Yellow Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Houston Posts: 4,345 View My Garage	how much weight does this save over the current Zl1 setup? __________________ Kong Ported 2650, Crawford Racing Port Injection, Weapon X 112mm Adapter, NW112mm TB, Livernois Ported LT4 Heads, Lingenfelter GT32 stealth cam, Haltech Elite, and Carbon by Trufiber

07-26-2018, 04:58 PM	#83
Alain Drives: 2016 Challenger Hellcat, 2018 ZL1LE Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Northern NJ Posts: 3,003	I’ve always wondered why carbon ceramic brakes are so expensive. This seems like a good place to ask. Is it because the carbon ceramic material needed to make 4 rotors is that expensive ? Is it the manufacturing process that makes it so pricey? Or is it a few companies that have the market cornered? My 1LE would look and perform that much better with these on. But that is just too much damn money. __________________ 2016 Challenger Hellcat /B5 blue/Sepia interior/Brass Monkey Wheels/ 2018 ZL1 1LE/Red hot 2019 Shellby GT 350R/ Oxford white/ Matte Black Stripes/ Carbon Fiber Dash/ Electronics Package #413

07-26-2018, 05:35 PM	#84
EDFHOBBIES Dyno Show Queen LOL Drives: 16 SS & 17 ZL1 Both Yellow Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Houston Posts: 4,345 View My Garage	https://youtu.be/3D9ayaGQiV4 Looks easier than working with steel.. __________________ Kong Ported 2650, Crawford Racing Port Injection, Weapon X 112mm Adapter, NW112mm TB, Livernois Ported LT4 Heads, Lingenfelter GT32 stealth cam, Haltech Elite, and Carbon by Trufiber

11-03-2017, 01:22 PM	#71
kingbambino22 Drives: 2023Porsche Cayenne S Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: everywhere and no where Posts: 317	No one gave the CCB a go yet? They sure would look nice on a ZL1 1LE. Would lose some weight also.

11-06-2017, 06:08 AM	#72
RacingBrake Drives: Camaro Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Fullerton, CA Posts: 78	Long term track review with RB CCB rotor & sintered pads (The ultimate brake set up with bullet proof performance) from a GT350 driver. ...It's time for an update on the CCB's. After running them for three track days and four months of highway and city service, I wanted to give the folks who wondered about my sanity an update ;-). It turns out that I'm sane. I have to say that I put these on with some trepidation - the internet knowledge base said they would be fragile, that they couldn't handle track use and they'd be nothing but an expensive headache. My experience is the EXACT OPPOSITE. I love them. I'm never going back to iron rotors. These things are that good... ...The sintered pads are a new product and they're "streetable" in the sense that you can run them all the time if you want to, but they're a bit noisy. As for bite, they've got the bite of a tyrannosaur. Mu is around 0.60 and it's immutable. Same brake feel from cold to glowing hot... ...One of the criticisms of CCB's in the past has been poor modulation. My experience with sintered pads and with the RSL-29's is that they're just as easy to modulate as any other brake system. Now, the high-mu sintered pads give you a lot of braking with moderate pedal pressure, but once I got used to the sensitivity, I stopped thinking about it and got on with driving. If you want to know more about racing with CCB rotors, Google "David Donohue Pikes Peak brakes" and you'll find videos (one is on the DSC Sport Suspension website) showing David Donohue's run up Pikes Peak in this year's hill climb event. He's Mark Donohue's son, by the way. Anyway, the Google search will turn up a review that David wrote and posted on a forum (that's why I didn't provide the link) about CCB brake performance with sintered race pads on the Pike's Peak race car. Apparently, he likes them too... https://trackmustangsonline.com/thre...-2#post-187860

11-08-2017, 07:46 AM	#76
RacingBrake Drives: Camaro Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Fullerton, CA Posts: 78	They are 28mm and 32mm in piston diameter. Caliper has differential bores. This rear caliper is one of 200+ OE calipers in our library. Seals and dust boots are tooled and made with these size accordingly.

11-10-2017, 04:46 PM	#78
RacingBrake Drives: Camaro Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Fullerton, CA Posts: 78	ZL1 G6 Rear brake (caliper, pad, and rotor) remains the same as G5, which is also same as Cadillac CTS-V, with 28 and 32mm caliper piston diameter.

11-15-2017, 11:58 AM	#79
RacingBrake Drives: Camaro Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Fullerton, CA Posts: 78	We kept track the brake changes on GM (Corvette, Camaro, CTS-V) in different generations, we know OE brake well and we make our replacement better than OE. Our offer for Camaro brake is complete and thorough (including brake bias analysis), all published data on our web s/b accountable. We make CCB upgrade for G6 ZL1 affordable. The kit is centered around Z28 with required modification. So if you love your ZL1 how it performs on tracks you may consider the brake upgrade to increase its value and ultimate performance. http://www.racingbrake.com/Camaro-Z-...rccb-gm-02.htm PM us for the promotional prices, and if you have ZL1 6 pot Brembo calipers you can further deduct them from the kit price.

12-06-2017, 11:54 AM	#80
RacingBrake Drives: Camaro Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Fullerton, CA Posts: 78	In response to PM and inquiries on this Z28 CCM brake kit for G6 Camaro (SS & ZL1). http://www.racingbrake.com/Camaro-Z-...rccb-gm-02.htm 1. If you have ZL1 you can deduct the calipers from the kit, but the rear Z28 calipers will be silver vs. ZL1 red in front. 2. The front CCM rotors come with the kit are fitted with RB rotor hats so they are 100% compatible with G6 spindle hub for a bolt-on installation. 3. Since there is no change in rear spindle between G5 (Z28) & G6 so the rear rotors are a bolt-on installation, however the calipers are not compatible due to different rotor size (390mm Z28 vs. 365mm of ZL1) and you can opt to upgrade the rotor hats to RB's light weight composite hat (aluminum shell with iron sleeve) vs. OE's stainless steel hat for further weight saving. This iron to CCB conversion kit is engineered, tested, and approved by RB for the best value in your G6 brake upgrade whether you are looking for street driving or track/racing application. We are good at CCB brake system development and conversion (between iron and CCB) and we look forward to serving your Camaro's braking need.

07-26-2018, 08:58 AM	#81
RacingBrake Drives: Camaro Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Fullerton, CA Posts: 78	World's first RB CCM rotor kit built with continuous fiber replacing Russ' (NASA National Competition Racing) Z28 OE rotors:

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