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JusticePete · 07-25-2016, 02:56 PM

We have picked up the pieces of a few builds gone a stray and are willing to do the same on yours. PM sent

Mr. Stacy · 07-25-2016, 03:10 PM

WTF? I would be livid. Don't throw good money or time after bad. Get your car, get your parts and get the f out of there. Today.

DBHWT · 07-25-2016, 04:18 PM

Get it towed out.....it probably ain't gonna get better....eat the costs to get it done the right way

flipstyledsm22 · 07-25-2016, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Spurshot

For a large project, there should be a contract with progress milestones and payment/penalties associated. Missed milestones should have progressive penalties to motivate the provider to complete the work asap.

Do you have knowledge of whether the internal parts and workmanship is actually present in your engine? Once you start getting adversarial, expect the worse.

If he's really a friend , you should talk to him about your situation frankly. If he does not have the ability to complete the car in a reasonable time or has not purchased all the necessary parts, even though you paid for them, he should consider taking a loan out to repay you.

You may have to resort to legal action if he doesn't respond to your satisfaction. Maybe time for a consultation with an attorney?

100% Agreed!!!^^^^

You and him need to have a REAL talk. A couple hundred out of my pocket would have been a big deal, $20k and heads would be rolling. Forget friendship right now and keep it strictly business. Once you establish a contract and can see where you money has gone on the car, do as above mentioned and keep the milestones on the forefront. When he finishes to satisfactory, you guys can go back to shits, giggles, and grins.

Freddy G · 07-25-2016, 04:39 PM

Burn their shops down then call 911. But seriously get a tow truck, collect any parts that you paid for and GTFO.

Sidecardog1 · 07-25-2016, 04:40 PM

It's a good thing that you didn't put the name of his shop on this site or they would be out of business pretty fast. Not sure how far you guys go back, but if this is how he treats his friends the rest of us would never set foot inside. You may want to consider the "money is no object" incentive.

camaro2ss/rs · 07-25-2016, 04:54 PM

you kept saying speed shop.. do you mean slow shop..

Frans96ss · 07-25-2016, 05:16 PM

What parts does he have for the 20k you gave him? Any or did he spend the money?

DaddySS · 07-25-2016, 05:30 PM

Ask your "friend" what you owe him for what's been done so far and ask for an itemized bill and parts accounting. Then get it towed to a reputable shop - it won't get batter at this rate and anything else is just wishful thinking.

Mr. Stacy · 07-25-2016, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Stacy

WTF? I would be livid. Don't throw good money or time after bad. Get your car, get your parts and get the f out of there. Today.

I'll quote myself because I feel so strongly about this.

You see, you are hesitating because this guy is supposed to be your friend.

Real friends don't take advantage of you like this. You were thrown under the bus by this "friend" a LONG time ago. Get clear of this mess now.

BMR Sales · 07-26-2016, 11:13 AM

This is a typical Paint Prison story altered to do Go-Fast work.

There are only two answers;
1. Yank it out of there & find someone better
2. Stay the course & wait

Since you are Ocala, call Kyle here @ BMR, he may have some solutions for you.

cb66 · 07-26-2016, 11:22 AM

Does he even know what he is doing or did he get into something he didn't know much about?

Scalded Dog · 07-26-2016, 12:27 PM

These stories rarely end well. The OP's story seems far worse than mine:

My '82 Camaro needed an engine replacement. I took it to a shop that would do the job in one week.

After two months, I got my car back. It was dented from their own parts truck ramming it (I happened to have witnessed that, during one of my countless visits to try to motivate their slow asses), they had set actual fire to my inner dash (including destroying my high end head unit), they had spilled a sticky beverage into all of my electric switches (rendering locks and windows inoperable), the parts they charged me for were just my old parts spray painted (serial numbers proved that), and the resulting "repair" leaked oil, water, and air.

I sued, and lost: The judge reasoned that if my car was in the shop, then it was ALREADY "a broken car," so, she said, it was utterly impossible for me to suggest that these fine working men could have done any damage to a thing that even I admitted was "already broken." She could not grasp the concept that I had given them large sums of money, they had failed to deliver, and had done much further damage. She threw me out of her courtroom.

I sued again, and this time the judge was a guy who understood the finer complexities of a bunch of grease monkeys f-ing up my car and keeping my money. He quickly ruled in my favor.

However... it turns out, a judgement doesn't mean a thing. The shop owner laughed at me, and told me that he didn't care about a "judgment." He said he would never pay me a dime... and he did not. There is no legal penalty for failing to pay on a judgment. (Yes, I hired a Marshall to try to recover funds, but the Marshall cost me a daily fee.... and didn't recover a thing). What are ya gonna do if somebody decides not to pay on a lost lawsuit... sue them?!?

So... my advice is to get out now. It only gets worse. The dude might be a friend ("...with friends like that..."), so maybe lawsuit isn't even a thought, but even if you were considering legal action, you probably won't get a thing (especially since there is no contract). Get out. Run, tow, drag, kick and scream, but get your stuff out of his garage, recover the best that you can.

Bummer of a tale... but something that others may be able to learn from. Sorry this happened to you, after trusting a friend.

maddoggyusa · 07-26-2016, 01:18 PM

1100 hp daily driver??? Really??? More HP than a NASCAR or F1 car but drive it every day?? That in itself seems a bit unreasonable.

15 months is a ridiculous amount of time without the car. There is really no excuse for your "friend".

Like others have said... I would get all your parts and have it towed to a reputable shop realizing you won't have 1100 hp.

07-25-2016, 03:10 PM	#16
Mr. Stacy El Duderino Drives: 2011 2LTRS Convertible Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,194 View My Garage	WTF? I would be livid. Don't throw good money or time after bad. Get your car, get your parts and get the f out of there. Today. __________________ I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback.

07-25-2016, 04:40 PM	#20
Sidecardog1 Drives: 2015 2SS, 1LE, Dual Mode, Black Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Central Florida Posts: 73	Friend ?? It's a good thing that you didn't put the name of his shop on this site or they would be out of business pretty fast. Not sure how far you guys go back, but if this is how he treats his friends the rest of us would never set foot inside. You may want to consider the "money is no object" incentive.

07-25-2016, 05:30 PM	#23
DaddySS Kept The Faith Drives: 2011 Camaro SS Convertible Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bergen County, New Jersey Posts: 418	Ask your "friend" what you owe him for what's been done so far and ask for an itemized bill and parts accounting. Then get it towed to a reputable shop - it won't get batter at this rate and anything else is just wishful thinking. __________________ 2011 Vert - 2SS/RS 6spd Triple Black

07-26-2016, 11:22 AM	#26
cb66 Drives: 13 2SS/RS HWSE Camaro # 959 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Washington Pa. Posts: 253 View My Garage	Does he even know what he is doing or did he get into something he didn't know much about? __________________ Roto Fab CAI, Flowmaster American Thunder series exhaust , Elite Engineering catch can, Range AFM delete ,Oracle LED side marker lights ,Plasma LED DRL Lights & harness, LED License Plate bulbs, Xpel Ultimate paint protection film.

07-25-2016, 02:56 PM	#15
JusticePete Drives: Camaro Justice Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 20,174	We have picked up the pieces of a few builds gone a stray and are willing to do the same on yours. PM sent

07-25-2016, 04:18 PM	#17
DBHWT Drives: 2013 SS 1LE Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Cincinnati / N KY area Posts: 559	Get it towed out.....it probably ain't gonna get better....eat the costs to get it done the right way

07-25-2016, 04:39 PM	#19
Freddy G Drives: 2014 Camaro 2SS 1LE /2011 2LT Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Toronto Ontario Posts: 422	Burn their shops down then call 911. But seriously get a tow truck, collect any parts that you paid for and GTFO.

07-25-2016, 04:54 PM	#21
camaro2ss/rs Drives: 2ss/rs Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: space Posts: 334	you kept saying speed shop.. do you mean slow shop..

07-25-2016, 05:16 PM	#22
Frans96ss Drives: 96SS Join Date: May 2009 Location: New Castle Delaware Posts: 1,948	What parts does he have for the 20k you gave him? Any or did he spend the money?

07-26-2016, 11:13 AM	#25
BMR Sales Drives: Race Car Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Seffner, FL Posts: 6,226	This is a typical Paint Prison story altered to do Go-Fast work. There are only two answers; 1. Yank it out of there & find someone better 2. Stay the course & wait Since you are Ocala, call Kyle here @ BMR, he may have some solutions for you.

07-26-2016, 12:27 PM	#27
Scalded Dog Drives: 2011 1LT Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Crestline, CA Posts: 3,029	These stories rarely end well. The OP's story seems far worse than mine: My '82 Camaro needed an engine replacement. I took it to a shop that would do the job in one week. After two months, I got my car back. It was dented from their own parts truck ramming it (I happened to have witnessed that, during one of my countless visits to try to motivate their slow asses), they had set actual fire to my inner dash (including destroying my high end head unit), they had spilled a sticky beverage into all of my electric switches (rendering locks and windows inoperable), the parts they charged me for were just my old parts spray painted (serial numbers proved that), and the resulting "repair" leaked oil, water, and air. I sued, and lost: The judge reasoned that if my car was in the shop, then it was ALREADY "a broken car," so, she said, it was utterly impossible for me to suggest that these fine working men could have done any damage to a thing that even I admitted was "already broken." She could not grasp the concept that I had given them large sums of money, they had failed to deliver, and had done much further damage. She threw me out of her courtroom. I sued again, and this time the judge was a guy who understood the finer complexities of a bunch of grease monkeys f-ing up my car and keeping my money. He quickly ruled in my favor. However... it turns out, a judgement doesn't mean a thing. The shop owner laughed at me, and told me that he didn't care about a "judgment." He said he would never pay me a dime... and he did not. There is no legal penalty for failing to pay on a judgment. (Yes, I hired a Marshall to try to recover funds, but the Marshall cost me a daily fee.... and didn't recover a thing). What are ya gonna do if somebody decides not to pay on a lost lawsuit... sue them?!? So... my advice is to get out now. It only gets worse. The dude might be a friend ("...with friends like that..."), so maybe lawsuit isn't even a thought, but even if you were considering legal action, you probably won't get a thing (especially since there is no contract). Get out. Run, tow, drag, kick and scream, but get your stuff out of his garage, recover the best that you can. Bummer of a tale... but something that others may be able to learn from. Sorry this happened to you, after trusting a friend.

07-26-2016, 01:18 PM	#28
maddoggyusa Drives: 2013 Camaro Dusk 2SS/6 Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,586	1100 hp daily driver??? Really??? More HP than a NASCAR or F1 car but drive it every day?? That in itself seems a bit unreasonable. 15 months is a ridiculous amount of time without the car. There is really no excuse for your "friend". Like others have said... I would get all your parts and have it towed to a reputable shop realizing you won't have 1100 hp.