10-07-2019, 09:33 PM | #29 |
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Another option is keep the practical commuter car and get a SS for your fun car. Drive it a few times a week in the good weather months. Split mileage with the commuter car. Insure it as a pleasure car not a commuter.
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10-08-2019, 12:32 AM | #30 | |
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10-08-2019, 12:34 AM | #31 |
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10-08-2019, 04:36 AM | #32 |
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455−335 / (455+335) /2 x 100% = 30.37974683544304%
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10-08-2019, 05:44 AM | #33 | |
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If you're a numbers guy, here are some: V6 = 87 octane. $2.22/gal Gasbuddy in Charlotte today. T4 and V8 = 93 octane. $2.87/gal T4 will probably break even vs the V6 in mileage vs. gas cost. For the V8 let's say the mileage diff is 5 mpg for your commute. At 80 miles/day * 250 days/yr = 20,000 miles/yr / 5mpg * $0.65/gal = $2,600 /yr in additional fuel cost to drive the v8. V6 is $32k and V61LE is $35.5k MSRP. 2SS is from $42 base to $49k for 1LE. If you go 1LE you will need a 2nd set of tires for winter driving (+$1k). Depreciation will be ~60% at 80k miles after 4 years on whatever you buy, assuming you keep the car in very good condition, no accidents. KBB trace-in value of a 2016 2SS with NPP and 80k miles in very good condition is ~$20.5k... MSRP was ~$43k. V6 trade-in is $14k and MSRP for a V6 2LT NPP was ~$32k. So the V8 will depreciate ~$1k+ more per year (not bad) but cost you nearly $3k more/year in fuel. |
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10-08-2019, 08:42 AM | #34 |
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I have a V6 and I get around 30-36 MPG highway.
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10-08-2019, 08:54 AM | #35 |
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This may be correct numerically, but doesn't tell the real story. The V6 has much, much less torque in the low rpm range, and that is the only thing anyone ever feels in a daily commuter.
Real world-ish torque numbers, with a 15% drivetrain loss for the A8 with these two engines would look like this (of course each individual car will differ slightly, plus temperature, altitude, humidity etc. can skew it): .......torque (lb-ft) rpm.....LGX...LT1 1000...110...180 1500...160...268 2000...185...310 3000...215...360 4000...230...375 4500...235...385 5000...238...375 The V8 already exceeds the max torque of the V6 well under 1500 rpm, practically at low highway cruising speed in 8th gear. The peak diff when holding the go pedal down is about 60%. There is no comparison in the sensation of power, really, and I had both these exact cars---but then again, this may not be what matters the most in a daily driver.
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10-08-2019, 09:40 AM | #37 |
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why would you buy a car you only expect to keep for 3-4 years new?
If we're already starting out with horrible financial decisions then what's the point of talking about gas prices? So since money isn't a reliable factor for discussion, it comes down to what would be most fun for daily driving and long commutes. The right choice would be to either buy a used 2018 or lease if you're only going to have the car short-term. If that's the route you go with, then the V6 will probably have a lower cost to own than the other models, and it will sound better than the turbo car. If you buy used, then the decision could also be impacted by available aftermarket. Turbo 4 and V8 have one. The v6 is ...well, very small. We do have some supercharger options, but if you're gonna drop 5k on the car, most people would just put that towards the v8, and have a higher ceiling for later. The auto v6/i4 also do not get lsd, unlike the v8 - which can be a concern in places that have snow or other poor traction conditions (power adders etc). So if you plan on modding the car, v8 is the obvious choice, however the I4 does offer relatively cheap tuning options that can greatly increase stock power with little to no other changes. |
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Unless your commute involves backroads with no traffic and a few laps around the track maybe it's a better idea to recalibrate your brain and what you expect out of your car? Don't give AF about traffic and just listen to music or podcasts in a comfortable car that costs very little to own. Here's the deal... with the mileage you put on the car it's very likely a small commuter car will pay for it's self vs a V8 Camaro. So it may actually be cheaper to buy a Camaro for occasional use + have a small commuter car. You can often find really good lease deals that would cost less than the difference in gas you'd pay for a V8 Camaro. I don't get driving any nice car if you have to commute. It's usually a traffic filled slog that's not going to be awesome in any car. IMO it's easier and less stressful in a smaller car you don't care that much about. Commuting in a Camaro would suck. It's big, it's a PITA to park because the doors are long AF and the car is wide. I'm glad I work from home!
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10-08-2019, 10:30 AM | #39 |
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I daily drive a 2016 2SS M6 to work every day in rush hour traffic around Detroit (17 miles each way) and it is not bad at all but it can get pricey. High mileage tends to depreciate the Camaro SS pretty quickly, and the gas (17 MPG on 93) and maintenance get pretty expensive with a lot of miles. I had a 2018 1LT/RS with the V6 and A8 before this car, and it got closer to 25 MPG on 87 and had much cheaper maintenance, as well as better all-season tires for commuting and less depreciation. I enjoy the SS a lot more but have since purchase a second used car as a commuter car for bad weather and the winter, but still DD the Camaro about 3-4 days a week. For your situation, I'd probably recommend getting the 3LT with a V6 and automatic transmission, it is a lot cheaper and easier to daily drive to work in traffic than an SS. Best of luck! Really can't go wrong either way!
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10-08-2019, 11:48 AM | #40 | |
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10-08-2019, 12:01 PM | #41 | |
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But as to your point about actually using it as an every day car, I learned to drive on a 1985 Cadillac Eldorado. It had worse blind spots than the Camaro, had longer doors than the Camaro, had a hood that went on for 10 miles, had tiny side view mirrors, had a mail slot for a rear window, and yet I passed my parallel parking test with no problem. So really, there's nothing other than the non-existent back seat and the tiny trunk opening which I don't really care about that make the Camaro any less useable as an every day driver. It's a fun car, it's meant to be driven, and I intend on putting 150,000 miles on it. |
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10-08-2019, 12:16 PM | #42 | |
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Love that I only drive it at night/weekends. Makes it way more fun. I actually enjoyed my commutes in my Focus. Was the perfect car for that cr@p. |
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