A Camaro head to head coming. Interesting competitor

13vertss · 01-28-2016, 05:02 PM

Saw this on Instagram. I figured the Mustang would be first.

hotlap · 01-28-2016, 05:13 PM

Eric SS · 01-28-2016, 06:02 PM

Looking forward to this one!

Number 3 · 01-28-2016, 07:29 PM

Should be close. The matchup I had hoped for. But a while ago when I suggested the Camaro needed to be good enough to lure buyers of this car I caught a lot of flack.

crysalis_01 · 01-28-2016, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 3

Should be close. The matchup I had hoped for. But a while ago when I suggested the Camaro needed to be good enough to lure buyers of this car I caught a lot of flack.

From a performance pov Camaro is easily more than "good enough" to be compared to the M///.

The problem with luring buyers from BMW is that the Camaro doesn't wear a Roundel. Sadly, that's what a lot of those buyers are looking for.

bpang1234 · 01-28-2016, 08:13 PM

Aw snap...serious bizness now.

BrianInJackson · 01-28-2016, 09:14 PM

There is $20-$25 thousand dollar difference between these cars. The BMW may have an advantage or two, we'll see. If these cars were the same money, I might have bought a BMW... However, you can almost buy an SS and an LT for the price of the M4. No thanks BMW... I think this will be a great match up, because it is clear that the Camaro is in a different league when compared to the Mustang. Been watching YouTube for comparison videos, and not seeing much... This should give me my fix.

Danew_377 · 01-28-2016, 11:44 PM

To the OP, nice find. Pretty sure many of us have been waiting for this to happen since there are overwhelmingly positive reviews about the car. A challenger is needed, and as BrianInJackson said, the Mustang GT isn't seen to be in the same realm as this SS. Our cars punch above their weight big time. It's really nice to see this.

bpang1234 · 01-29-2016, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianInJackson

There is $20-$25 thousand dollar difference between these cars. The BMW may have an advantage or two, we'll see. If these cars were the same money, I might have bought a BMW... However, you can almost buy an SS and an LT for the price of the M4. No thanks BMW... I think this will be a great match up, because it is clear that the Camaro is in a different league when compared to the Mustang. Been watching YouTube for comparison videos, and not seeing much... This should give me my fix.

I think the scenario would be more likely me buying a Camaro and a small SUV...oh wait I did one and am about to do the other.

Bhobbs · 01-29-2016, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 3

Should be close. The matchup I had hoped for. But a while ago when I suggested the Camaro needed to be good enough to lure buyers of this car I caught a lot of flack.

I've read some threads on the SS vs M3/4 and they don't care how good the Camaro is, they will keep buying an M. No matter how much the Camaro improves, their perception is the BMW is better.

Don't the Head2Heads get posted on Wednesday? Hopefully we see it next week.

6spdhyperblue · 01-29-2016, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I've read some threads on the SS vs M3/4 and they don't care how good the Camaro is, they will keep buying an M. No matter how much the Camaro improves, their perception is the BMW is better.

Don't the Head2Heads get posted on Wednesday? Hopefully we see it next week.

that is because this process takes time. The camaro will need to consistently deliver year after to year to reach those people.

kdu · 01-29-2016, 08:20 AM

I've actually been cross shopping the M4. Used 2015s go for about $60k. It's definitely more than the Camaro, but it's in the same ballpark. Plus, when I resell in 3-5 years I would theoretically make up some of the price difference. Having owned a BMW and a Chevy before, beyond the differences in the car you get a dramatically different service experience. Many M owners also have other BMWs so there is a ton of brand loyalty to overcome to put a camaro high on the short list of M4 alternatives. Both are great cars so hard to lose with either one.

6spdhyperblue · 01-29-2016, 08:36 AM

^^ i agree the service experience and average SALES experience between the two are tough(that ive experienced in NJ). I have bought a few new BMWs just because they listen to what makes me happy and deliver; versus arrogance telling me what makes me happy.

hotlap · 01-29-2016, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicul15

that is because this process takes time. The camaro will need to consistently deliver year after to year to reach those people.

Agree^^^ but I always think these BMW vs Camaro/Mustang comparisons are silly. That is Cadillac's battle and they need to deliver year after year to reach those people. Cadillac has moved up market so the question is can they ride out those years AND deliver.

High end BMW/Audi/Mercedes buyer don't want to see a striped, $25k, 4 cylinder version of thier car next to them at the light

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kdu Drives: Acura MDX Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 69	I've actually been cross shopping the M4. Used 2015s go for about $60k. It's definitely more than the Camaro, but it's in the same ballpark. Plus, when I resell in 3-5 years I would theoretically make up some of the price difference. Having owned a BMW and a Chevy before, beyond the differences in the car you get a dramatically different service experience. Many M owners also have other BMWs so there is a ton of brand loyalty to overcome to put a camaro high on the short list of M4 alternatives. Both are great cars so hard to lose with either one. __________________ Previous - 2006 350z 6M, 2008 335i Coupe 6M Current - 2015 RC F, 2016 MDX Future - ?

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6spdhyperblue Drives: 6th gen Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: US Posts: 3,675	^^ i agree the service experience and average SALES experience between the two are tough(that ive experienced in NJ). I have bought a few new BMWs just because they listen to what makes me happy and deliver; versus arrogance telling me what makes me happy. Last edited by 6spdhyperblue; 01-29-2016 at 08:51 AM.

01-28-2016, 06:02 PM	#3
Eric SS #becauseracecar Drives: 2016 SS Sedan, 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: May 2015 Location: Phoenix Posts: 2,959	Looking forward to this one!

01-28-2016, 08:13 PM	#6
bpang1234 You can only YOLO once. Drives: '16 2SS & '15 Subaru Forester Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Albany, OR Posts: 1,677	Aw snap...serious bizness now.

01-28-2016, 09:14 PM	#7
BrianInJackson Drives: toyota mr2 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Jackson, Ca Posts: 99	There is $20-$25 thousand dollar difference between these cars. The BMW may have an advantage or two, we'll see. If these cars were the same money, I might have bought a BMW... However, you can almost buy an SS and an LT for the price of the M4. No thanks BMW... I think this will be a great match up, because it is clear that the Camaro is in a different league when compared to the Mustang. Been watching YouTube for comparison videos, and not seeing much... This should give me my fix.

01-28-2016, 11:44 PM	#8
Danew_377 Chief Bief Drives: Nightfall Gray Camaro 1SS Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Norfolk, Virginia Posts: 208	To the OP, nice find. Pretty sure many of us have been waiting for this to happen since there are overwhelmingly positive reviews about the car. A challenger is needed, and as BrianInJackson said, the Mustang GT isn't seen to be in the same realm as this SS. Our cars punch above their weight big time. It's really nice to see this.

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