[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

So 80,000 base.
Probably slower than a RedEye in a straight line.
90-95 with Track and CarbonFiber Package.
Doesn’t come close to 1LE.

Which version barely beats standard ZL1? Base GT500, or The 95,000 one?

Just curious what the consensus is.

I would imagine the base 500 will be faster than the ZL1 in 1/4 mile. I think the carbon package will beat the base ZL1 on a track but to get good times out of it you will need to be an expert driver. It will likely be heavier and have a higher center of gravity and it is on a less capable chassis. I dont think it will track as well as a ZLE.

As far as beating a Redeye I dont know. My gut tells me it will be very close with the DCT.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

So 80,000 base.
Probably slower than a RedEye in a straight line.
90-95 with Track and CarbonFiber Package.
Doesn’t come close to 1LE.

Which version barely beats standard ZL1? Base GT500, or The 95,000 one?

Just curious what the consensus is.

I think you're being sarcastic but I'll bite.

What do you expect out of it? Look at the Redeye. 797 HP. Built for straight line work. Costs in the mid $80K fully optioned...almost as much as a Trackhawk. Can it beat a ZLE or even a standard ZL1 on a track? Can it even come close? No.

ZLE. $70K. 650 HP. Built as an all around triple threat. Beats just about everything on a track. Can it beat a Redeye or even a standard Hellcat in a straight line? Does it come even close? No.

GT350R. $65K. 526 HP. Built as a track specific car. Not even gonna go over what it can and can't beat because I feel like I'll just be dissing it again.

GT500. 700+ HP. What is it built for? Not completely sure but it is the direct competitor to the ZL1 or so the Ford guys claim. So if it beats the standard ZL1 around a track but doesn't beat the ZLE...and if it beats the Hellcat in a straight line but doesn't beat the Redeye...and if it comes in at mid $80K for the Premium or fully optioned one, then what more would you expect from it? Do you think it'll be priced at $68K, destroy the ZLE, destroy the Redeye, and be good for DD use and have full options? Because that would sure be some feat. So again, I feel like you were being sarcastic. But what should we expect it to do and at what price in comparison to what the competition is doing and is priced at??

[13vertss]

The gt350r is now near $70,000 not 65k.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

The gt350r is now near $70,000 not 65k.

The GT350R is $70,230 with the technology package
The GT350 is $63,085 with the technology and handling packages.

The Camaro 2SS 1LE is $49,495
The Camaro ZL1 1LE is $71,695
The Camaro ZL1 M6 is $64,695

The GT350 has an optional handling package?

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by hotlap

The GT350R is $70,230 with the technology package
The GT350 is $63,085 with the technology and handling packages.

The Camaro 2SS 1LE is $49,495
The Camaro ZL1 1LE is $71,695
The Camaro ZL1 M6 is $64,695

The GT350 has an optional handling package?

I believe the Camaro’s included GG tax, but the R doesn’t. So add another $1300 to the R.

[72MachOne99GT]

I was definitely being sarcastic.

My own opinions, as worthless as they may be...

Optionless- 67,xxx
Runs with standard ZL1 on track, maybe faster on longer less technical tracks, and sneaks into 10.69x@132+ at the strip

Track/Carbon Package- 80,000
Runs faster than 1LE on tracks of all shapes and sizes, maybe a hair slower than the base model at the strip, but definitely still sub-11s

Before Ford stated all cars were DCT and Magic-suspension, I was expecting a 64-65k base price.

I just can’t see Ford significantly outpricing the market, and Fords previous Shelby entries have came in way under what everyone said they “had to”

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

I was definitely being sarcastic.

My own opinions, as worthless as they may be...

Optionless- 67,xxx
Runs with standard ZL1 on track, maybe faster on longer less technical tracks, and sneaks into 10.69x@132+ at the strip

Track/Carbon Package- 80,000
Runs faster than 1LE on tracks of all shapes and sizes, maybe a hair slower than the base model at the strip, but definitely still sub-11s

Before Ford stated all cars were DCT and Magic-suspension, I was expecting a 64-65k base price.

I just can’t see Ford significantly outpricing the market, and Fords previous Shelby entries have came in way under what everyone said they “had to”

You think it'll be cheaper than the GT350R??

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

I was definitely being sarcastic.

My own opinions, as worthless as they may be...

Optionless- 67,xxx
Runs with standard ZL1 on track, maybe faster on longer less technical tracks, and sneaks into 10.69x@132+ at the strip

Track/Carbon Package- 80,000
Runs faster than 1LE on tracks of all shapes and sizes, maybe a hair slower than the base model at the strip, but definitely still sub-11s

Before Ford stated all cars were DCT and Magic-suspension, I was expecting a 64-65k base price.

I just can’t see Ford significantly outpricing the market, and Fords previous Shelby entries have came in way under what everyone said they “had to”

This all seems about fair, except for the existence of the GT350R. How can they justify offering the 500 at the same price of the R that has less features and is slower in every category?

I guess sell the difference in feel maybe, lighter more nimble and likely higher revving with a manual option.

Ford has always priced these well, but with the R out there at 67 plus, I saw adding $10K to that for the 500 seemed fair......if even really expensive for a pony car. I would be shocked if the base comes in less than low 70's, and really just because where the R is priced and no other reason.

[IOMike]

Talk about late to the party. Isn't the s550 about done? Will anyone even care when it comes out? I'd rather wait for the next GT, especially with the front end they gave this thing. Yikes.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by IOMike

Talk about late to the party. Isn't the s550 about done? Will anyone even care when it comes out? I'd rather wait for the next GT, especially with the front end they gave this thing. Yikes.

Very late indeed. They even had to extend the S550 for an extra year because of the delays they had with the GT500. This Gen for the Mustang has been nothing but disaster after disaster.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Very late indeed. They even had to extend the S550 for an extra year because of the delays they had with the GT500. This Gen for the Mustang has been nothing but disaster after disaster.

Disaster after disaster?

This thing sold what 150k the first year? That's a pretty clear indicator that this generation Mustang was massively successful. Sure, the sales have dropped off but I still think they are more than the best year of the 6th gen Camaro.

[GossipSquirrelJelena]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Disaster after disaster?

This thing sold what 150k the first year? That's a pretty clear indicator that this generation Mustang was massively successful. Sure, the sales have dropped off but I still think they are more than the best year of the 6th gen Camaro.

Disasters are different to different fan boys. The GT350 not beating the ZL1 is a disaster. If your a Chevy guy. Every magazine writer saying they still prefer the GT350. Is pure nonsense. If your a Chevy guy! The GT being slower than the SS from 15-17 is a disaster. The GT doubling the Camaro sales during that same period is a disaster. So the Ford guys giggle about that. Now the 18 up GT is faster. Chevy guys call it a drivers race. Ford guys call it a murder. The tick is a disaster if your team Chevy. Team Ford hits back with the shudder. The guy two posts up. Comments on the 18 GTs front end. But doesn’t mention the cartoon front end of the 19 Camaro. Even though that front end was so bad. Chevy canceled it after one year. And shipped the remainder of those bumpers to China.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I think you're being sarcastic but I'll bite.

What do you expect out of it? Look at the Redeye. 797 HP. Built for straight line work. Costs in the mid $80K fully optioned...almost as much as a Trackhawk. Can it beat a ZLE or even a standard ZL1 on a track? Can it even come close? No.

ZLE. $70K. 650 HP. Built as an all around triple threat. Beats just about everything on a track. Can it beat a Redeye or even a standard Hellcat in a straight line? Does it come even close? No.

GT350R. $65K. 526 HP. Built as a track specific car. Not even gonna go over what it can and can't beat because I feel like I'll just be dissing it again.

GT500. 700+ HP. What is it built for? Not completely sure but it is the direct competitor to the ZL1 or so the Ford guys claim. So if it beats the standard ZL1 around a track but doesn't beat the ZLE...and if it beats the Hellcat in a straight line but doesn't beat the Redeye...and if it comes in at mid $80K for the Premium or fully optioned one, then what more would you expect from it? Do you think it'll be priced at $68K, destroy the ZLE, destroy the Redeye, and be good for DD use and have full options? Because that would sure be some feat. So again, I feel like you were being sarcastic. But what should we expect it to do and at what price in comparison to what the competition is doing and is priced at??

I have to ask how the ZLE was built as an all around triple threat? It is relatively slow in the 1/4 mile for its hp, reviews have criticized its non track ride as jarring or even worse. So where is the triple coming from. The ZLl is a triple threat machine. The ZLE is a track car that happens to be street legal.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Disaster after disaster?

This thing sold what 150k the first year? That's a pretty clear indicator that this generation Mustang was massively successful. Sure, the sales have dropped off but I still think they are more than the best year of the 6th gen Camaro.

Yes we need to understand that a vehicle that commanded dealer markups for nearly 3 years is a failure, while the vehicle which had to be discontinued at initial offering is a success. New math I guess.